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Postby chetan62 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:11 am

Seriously. I just claimd surv D1 as retributionist so i can stay alive for a few nights. Thats what i need to do to confirm myself. Now listen. An escort roleblocked me N1. Coincidencely, nobody died that night. And then escort accused me to be SUS. What the tarnation? Just give your info. Why do you use the sheriff lead? And they lynched me although i claimed retri. Am i an angry person or is it about the people who play the game?

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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:14 pm

Sounds like you are bad.

Jk. It’s unfortunate, but it happens. Just have to wait the game out and yell at the town for being stupid or leave.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby cob709 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:16 pm

You fake claimed survivor
Escort fake claimed sheriff

You can't be mad at them because you did the exact same thing.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:37 pm

cob709 wrote:You can't be mad at them because you did the exact same thing.

I disagree. Town members should avoid fake claiming other Town roles (except for power roles, who can fake claim and confirm themselves easily). They should ESPECIALLY avoid claiming TI roles, as they could possibly kill an innocent person and themself by giving false information to the Town.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Ezradekezra » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:39 pm

Imo the only two roles that have a reason to fake-claim Survivor are Mayor and Amnesiac, both of which can autoconfirm themselves when pushed.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Brilliand » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:17 pm

TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Town members should avoid fake claiming other Town roles (except for power roles, who can fake claim and confirm themselves easily).


Town members should also avoid fakeclaiming Survivor, for exactly the same reason.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby kyuss420 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:54 am

just whisper some noob day 1 and claim GA.

Survivors always getting pushed if theres no leads. TIs check survivors, ambushers camp on survivors, consigs check survivors, they actually draw a shitload of attention.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:16 am

kyuss420 wrote:just whisper some noob day 1 and claim GA.

Go for the guy with the least drip
If they talk about using tickets in the lobby, pick them
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Descender » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:40 am

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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby BlastingOff » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:11 am

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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby ProjectSYD » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:12 am

Fake claiming as town is honestly the worst strategy you can implore, unless of course you're the mayor who can then reveal to prove that they're 100% town. I've played nearly 1000 games in the last 2 months and am currently sitting at Masters. While I feel elo is not an accurate way to represent one's skill level I do believe that my opinion does offer some merits.

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    1. When Retributionist/Medium, always claim day one.
    2. When TI, always post results daily (unless you're lookout).
    3. As spy, always bug Jailor N1.
    4. As Escort, always RB Jailor N1.
    5. As transporter, always transport N1 and reveal D2. Remind vigilantes to call their shots.
    6. As vigilante/veteran, always claim TK unless NE is revealed and NOT witch/dead.
    7. As Jailor, always reveal N1.
    8. Always punish bad players.

Rationale

    1. These roles are relatively weak and hard to prove. It's better to claim early rather than later, even if it means you get lynched/killed.
    2. Generally as TI I'm looking at non-claimers, and I'm avoiding investigating anyone who has already been checked. A lot of people argue that they do not want to reveal they're TI because they'll be targeted. Generally, evils want to take out TP/LO to open up the Jailor for an attack. Other major targets are escorts, transporters and mayor as these roles have significant influence over the results of the game.
    3. While it doesn't confirm you 100%, being able to accurately report a bug on Jailor from an escorts RB will divert attention away from you and your fellow TIs are more likely to investigate other players.
    4. There's absolutely no punishment to RBing Jailor N1. You don't run the risk of RBing possible TI/TP and a spy can confirm that you're town. Choosing to not RB D1 is practically asking to be lynched.
    5. This is by far the easiest town role to confirm and the hardest to fake. Reveal that you're transporter D2 and have your target(s) confirm you. Reminding vigilante's that you exist will decrease the odds that they'll shoot your target. I tend to scum read & transport myself with suspected evil in hopes that mafia target & attack me.
    6. Might seem scum, but in a game with a witch, claiming vigilante may result in you being lynched. Just tell the town you've redacted your claim out of concerns for safety of the town. If they push for you to reveal, just reveal.
    7. With 9/15 targets being town, revealing that you're Jailor increases the odds that you'll live longer as TP/LO will be watching you. It also increases the odds that your TIs will find evil sooner. The more confirmed town that exist, the better the odds of finding evil.
    8. By punishing bad players, you discourage people from playing the game in a certain way in future games. It also discourages mafia as using "bad plays" as a legitimate claim when they're evil.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby OreCreeper » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:56 am

ProjectSYD wrote:Fake claiming as town is honestly the worst strategy you can implore, unless of course you're the mayor who can then reveal to prove that they're 100% town. I've played nearly 1000 games in the last 2 months and am currently sitting at Masters.

I disagree. Fake-claiming is a very useful skill as a townie. I'm 2400+ elo and I always claim sheriff/invest if I'm mayor, trans, or vig. This ensures that I won't get targetted by evils (unless of course they have a consig). Then I can freely transport others without worrying about my own safety, and as vig I won't have to worry about witch since there would be no reason to witch a "sheriff". As retributionist, I always claim medium. Retributionist is a role (as of now) that retains most of its power from staying hidden. If the mafia don't believe there's a ret, they're more likely to attack the jailor once all TP claims appear to be dead. Then you can just use the dead BG/Doc on the jailor. Sometimes, claiming sheriff as invest is a good strategy too when you've found a potential evil. You might trick them into outting themselves when they claim a role not in their invest results. If they do claim in their results, you just reveal yourself and say you were fake-claiming. And of course, you need to fake claim to vet bait (obviously whisper the jailor first).
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:57 am

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ProjectSYD wrote:Fake claiming as town is honestly the worst strategy you can implore, unless of course you're the mayor who can then reveal to prove that they're 100% town. I've played nearly 1000 games in the last 2 months and am currently sitting at Masters.

I disagree. Fake-claiming is a very useful skill as a townie. I'm 2400+ elo and I always claim sheriff/invest if I'm mayor, trans, or vig. This ensures that I won't get targetted by evils (unless of course they have a consig). Then I can freely transport others without worrying about my own safety, and as vig I won't have to worry about witch since there would be no reason to witch a "sheriff". As retributionist, I always claim medium. Retributionist is a role (as of now) that retains most of its power from staying hidden. If the mafia don't believe there's a ret, they're more likely to attack the jailor once all TP claims appear to be dead. Then you can just use the dead BG/Doc on the jailor. Sometimes, claiming sheriff as invest is a good strategy too when you've found a potential evil. You might trick them into outting themselves when they claim a role not in their invest results. If they do claim in their results, you just reveal yourself and say you were fake-claiming. And of course, you need to fake claim to vet bait (obviously whisper the jailor first).

Fake claiming Town while Mayor, Transporter, or Vigi is a little acceptable, as these roles can be confirmed rather easily (in Classic). I agree Retri gains most of their power by being hidden. Invest claiming Sheriff isn’t always a bad idea, assuming Town is actually smart and won’t lynch you for a fake claim (not usually the case).
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby ProjectSYD » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:19 am

OreCreeper wrote:
ProjectSYD wrote:Fake claiming as town is honestly the worst strategy you can implore, unless of course you're the mayor who can then reveal to prove that they're 100% town. I've played nearly 1000 games in the last 2 months and am currently sitting at Masters.

I disagree. Fake-claiming is a very useful skill as a townie. I'm 2400+ elo and I always claim sheriff/invest if I'm mayor, trans, or vig. This ensures that I won't get targetted by evils (unless of course they have a consig). Then I can freely transport others without worrying about my own safety, and as vig I won't have to worry about witch since there would be no reason to witch a "sheriff". As retributionist, I always claim medium. Retributionist is a role (as of now) that retains most of its power from staying hidden. If the mafia don't believe there's a ret, they're more likely to attack the jailor once all TP claims appear to be dead. Then you can just use the dead BG/Doc on the jailor. Sometimes, claiming sheriff as invest is a good strategy too when you've found a potential evil. You might trick them into outting themselves when they claim a role not in their invest results. If they do claim in their results, you just reveal yourself and say you were fake-claiming. And of course, you need to fake claim to vet bait (obviously whisper the jailor first).


Nah bruv, sorry.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:46 am

ProjectSYD wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
ProjectSYD wrote:Fake claiming as town is honestly the worst strategy you can implore, unless of course you're the mayor who can then reveal to prove that they're 100% town. I've played nearly 1000 games in the last 2 months and am currently sitting at Masters.

I disagree. Fake-claiming is a very useful skill as a townie. I'm 2400+ elo and I always claim sheriff/invest if I'm mayor, trans, or vig. This ensures that I won't get targetted by evils (unless of course they have a consig). Then I can freely transport others without worrying about my own safety, and as vig I won't have to worry about witch since there would be no reason to witch a "sheriff". As retributionist, I always claim medium. Retributionist is a role (as of now) that retains most of its power from staying hidden. If the mafia don't believe there's a ret, they're more likely to attack the jailor once all TP claims appear to be dead. Then you can just use the dead BG/Doc on the jailor. Sometimes, claiming sheriff as invest is a good strategy too when you've found a potential evil. You might trick them into outting themselves when they claim a role not in their invest results. If they do claim in their results, you just reveal yourself and say you were fake-claiming. And of course, you need to fake claim to vet bait (obviously whisper the jailor first).


Nah bruv, sorry.

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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby JaguarJumps » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm

Town uses the most flawed logic and then acts like it works when it's successful 1 out 10 times. It's so flimsy but most of the town goes along with it because it isn't them being lynched, since most people don't think too far ahead. So it definitely is not you.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:03 am

I can confirm 3 plays with fakeclaiming when it was very effective.

1. Once I claimed to Veteran claim that I am Vigilante and I am going to shoot him. Mafia attacked me, sent consort and janitor. I was the real Veteran.
2. Once I saw Veteran claiming in whispers to Jailor that they are Retributionist and asked Jailor to not get jailed. It was the Veteran who alerted, we lost consort to that play.
3. I once swapped with Jailor. He was claiming Veteran, I was claiming Jailor. We won 2v5 with that play.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Brilliand » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:09 pm

kosmo16 wrote:I can confirm 3 plays with fakeclaiming when it was very effective.

1. Once I claimed to Veteran claim that I am Vigilante and I am going to shoot him. Mafia attacked me, sent consort and janitor. I was the real Veteran.
2. Once I saw Veteran claiming in whispers to Jailor that they are Retributionist and asked Jailor to not get jailed. It was the Veteran who alerted, we lost consort to that play.
3. I once swapped with Jailor. He was claiming Veteran, I was claiming Jailor. We won 2v5 with that play.


Veteran in particular has very obvious reasons to fakeclaim. If your real role is Veteran, you have a legitimate reason to fakeclaim just about anything.

Mayor can also get away with fakeclaiming whatever he wants, though it's less often useful.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Joacgroso » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:28 pm

I fakeclaimed witch as mayor the other day. Mafia gave me all their names. We still lost, though, due to a bad rolelist and lack of mayority. We probably wouldn't have ended in that situation if I had revealed earlier and followed my gut to prevent the misslynches.
I could only spite-lynch the framer.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Brilliand » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:32 pm

Mafia should know better than to reveal themselves to a "witch" who didn't confirm themselves by controlling a Mafia member, but there are a lot of players out there who will fall for it.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby Joacgroso » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:50 pm

They had mayority and the jester had been claiming witched. Not my best play, I know.
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Re: Am I the only one who gets angry in almost every town of

Postby kosmo16 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 am

Brilliand wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:I can confirm 3 plays with fakeclaiming when it was very effective.

1. Once I claimed to Veteran claim that I am Vigilante and I am going to shoot him. Mafia attacked me, sent consort and janitor. I was the real Veteran.
2. Once I saw Veteran claiming in whispers to Jailor that they are Retributionist and asked Jailor to not get jailed. It was the Veteran who alerted, we lost consort to that play.
3. I once swapped with Jailor. He was claiming Veteran, I was claiming Jailor. We won 2v5 with that play.


Veteran in particular has very obvious reasons to fakeclaim. If your real role is Veteran, you have a legitimate reason to fakeclaim just about anything.

Mayor can also get away with fakeclaiming whatever he wants, though it's less often useful.


Unless they get shot by vig or executed by the jailor :)
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