nvm i love jailor meta now

[SlippingKimmy]

I agree, it sucks, but jailor is still a fun role by themselves. Just don't follow the meta.

[3cheersforidiots]

People who call others susp for not being on the jailor N2 when there is a tp lo call are just bad townies/evil leaders who want to sheep the town into their bidding

if you claim to not be on Jailor N1, then the Lookout has no way of confirming or denying your claim. The meta requires that all TP be on the Jailor N1, so they can be confirmed; and if you evade the meta that would confirm whether you're town or evil, well that indicates that you're evil.

yes, well, any potential TP claimants in mafia can also pile on jailor and be 'confirmed'

[Brilliand]

yes, well, any potential TP claimants in mafia can also pile on jailor and be 'confirmed'

Only RMs can do this, and if they do, a Spy can tell the town that it happened.

[3cheersforidiots]

yes, well, any potential TP claimants in mafia can also pile on jailor and be 'confirmed'

Only RMs can do this, and if they do, a Spy can tell the town that it happened.

assuming a Spy exists

[Brilliand]

assuming a Spy exists

The evils don't know whether a Spy exists when they decide whether to visit the Jailor N1.

(The same as for Lookout.)

[3cheersforidiots]

assuming a Spy exists

The evils don't know whether a Spy exists when they decide whether to visit the Jailor N1.

(The same as for Lookout.)

indeed, but as mafia, you have to take certain risks
this scenario is only risky to the extent where it's possible for an LO and a Spy to co-exist

[cob709]

or Mafia can fake claim LO/spy

[Superalex11]

assuming a Spy exists

The evils don't know whether a Spy exists when they decide whether to visit the Jailor N1.

(The same as for Lookout.)

indeed, but as mafia, you have to take certain risks
this scenario is only risky to the extent where it's possible for an LO and a Spy to co-exist

56.7% of ranked games will have at least 1 of any particular TI. So 56.7% will have at least 1 spy, and 56.7% will have at least 1 lo.
23.9% will have at least 1 spy and at least 1 lo.

I don't think it's in maf's best interest to rely on a n1 strategy that is strictly nonviable in a quarter of their games.

[3cheersforidiots]

assuming a Spy exists

The evils don't know whether a Spy exists when they decide whether to visit the Jailor N1.

(The same as for Lookout.)

indeed, but as mafia, you have to take certain risks
this scenario is only risky to the extent where it's possible for an LO and a Spy to co-exist

56.7% of ranked games will have at least 1 of any particular TI. So 56.7% will have at least 1 spy, and 56.7% will have at least 1 lo.
23.9% will have at least 1 spy and at least 1 lo.

I don't think it's in maf's best interest to rely on a n1 strategy that is strictly nonviable in a quarter of their games.

I would be willing to be there's some funky stats that say otherwise, but it's too late for me to be doing stats when I'm not even prepping for an exam