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Is this a game throw?

Postby Deadlock258 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:22 pm

I've had this game for a few weeks, and really enjoy it, but now I question the sanity of the community.
I was playing a classic game (not ranked) and was executioner. I managed to get my target (by the name of toothless) to get hanged, and won.
I decided to work with town, since I had already won so it wasn't game throwing. I then publicly announced towards the end of the game I needed to go afk (to help my dad with groceries) and left. This took at very most 3 minutes. A simple elevator ride downstairs and a ride back up, putting away the items, and coming back in. In the rules it says something along the lines of "please do not leave your computer for extended amounts of time. To me, 3-4 minutes does not qualify as extended amounts of time. People started screaming bloody murder at me when I came back, so I called up my friends who were also in game (we weren't in call during game) and asked what's up, how have I gamethrown? According to them once I left the SK killed another person, making it an uneven vote. Sk went up, I was afk. I abstained(obviously) and SK won.
I'm just concerned as to whether or not I gamethrew, and if my account was banned. First of all, I broke no rules, having not left for an extended amount of time. Secondly, I was a netural role... not part of town.
Was it gamethrowing for me to "not help town" as a netural role?
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby BlastingOff » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:05 am

that's not gamethrow, cause Executioner is not forced to side with Town. Also, you have already completed your objective so you are technically free to leave, if you wanted to.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Kaladef » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:00 am

Leaving for multiple days/nights in a row is an extended amount of time, so depending on how many cycled, yes it was an extended amount of time. On the other hand, as an exe that already won, you can literally afk the rest of the game and it's not gamethrowing since you've completed your objective and don't have to help either side realistically. Jest/Exe are free to do what they wanna do for the most part, Witch needs to evil side or it's very explicitly throwing however. Classic players are pretty entitled when it comes to Exe townsiding though so they'll scream and whine til the end of time that you gamethrew bc almost all exes townside in classic so if you don't follow that, you'll hear about it despite having nothing with their win tied to yours.

Hope that helps

*edit* To be clear you can claim Exe d1 and expose your target, in ranked even, and say you'll help town if they hang your target when they're able, you're working toward your win condition and it's up to town whether they help you or not and THAT is still not gamethrowing because you're clearly working toward your win condition. BMG's definition of GT makes it pretty easy for you to determine if you're throwing or not and that is KNOWINGLY making your faction lose. ex. Executing/Shooting revealed mayor of your own volition when you obviously could've went for anyone else.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby EqsyLootz » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:48 pm

Neutral Evils can't exactly gamethrow... Let's be honest.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby TheRealChickenPatty » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:10 pm

EqsyLootz wrote:Neutral Evils can't exactly gamethrow... Let's be honest.


Witch is Neutral Evil,ain’t they?

She can definitely throw.
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MEDIUM, oh you're all dead
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby BlastingOff » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:55 am

TheRealChickenPatty wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:Neutral Evils can't exactly gamethrow... Let's be honest.


Witch is Neutral Evil,ain’t they?

She can definitely throw.


not to mention Jester and Executioner *can* throw. If Jester and Executioner leave before they finish their goal, that still constitutes gamethrowing, as they went against their chances of winning, for example.

(this assumes there's some chance for Jester / Exe to win, no matter how small it is)
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby PikamanUltra » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:30 am

Deadlock258 wrote:I've had this game for a few weeks, and really enjoy it, but now I question the sanity of the community.
I was playing a classic game (not ranked) and was executioner. I managed to get my target (by the name of toothless) to get hanged, and won.
I decided to work with town, since I had already won so it wasn't game throwing. I then publicly announced towards the end of the game I needed to go afk (to help my dad with groceries) and left. This took at very most 3 minutes. A simple elevator ride downstairs and a ride back up, putting away the items, and coming back in. In the rules it says something along the lines of "please do not leave your computer for extended amounts of time. To me, 3-4 minutes does not qualify as extended amounts of time. People started screaming bloody murder at me when I came back, so I called up my friends who were also in game (we weren't in call during game) and asked what's up, how have I gamethrown? According to them once I left the SK killed another person, making it an uneven vote. Sk went up, I was afk. I abstained(obviously) and SK won.
I'm just concerned as to whether or not I gamethrew, and if my account was banned. First of all, I broke no rules, having not left for an extended amount of time. Secondly, I was a netural role... not part of town.
Was it gamethrowing for me to "not help town" as a netural role?

In my time in the game I have found out that community gets salty when NE doesn't side with town, they just expect them to when in reality the meta has evolved and left them behind. Changing your alleigance, or not having an alleigance, is not gamethrowing. As long as you are not town letting nk or mafia win while sitting idely is fine, people just can't deal with getting betrayed in a game about lying and deception lol.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Joacgroso » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:11 pm

EqsyLootz wrote:Neutral Evils can't exactly gamethrow... Let's be honest.

Any role can gamethrow, and not only by leaving.
For example, jesters can throw if in a 1 vs 1 vs 1 scenario they vote someone else up instead of trying to get lynched, since they are ending the game before the win. It isn't throwing if the other players said they weren't going to lynch the jester, but if some of them are willing to help, then it is.
Exes can throw in a similar scenario with their target and an evildoer.

However, as other people said, what the OP did wasn't wrong since he had already won so he was free to do anything he wanted ingame.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Bluebirdohno » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:25 am

Sorry for the noob question, but about gamethrowing as jester, in one game I was RBed (by escort) with framer and mafioso (dead), there was a mafia kill that night along with a serial killer kill, I was then outted as not being an evil role. I kept trying but then investigator died and they'd investigated me and they had me as jester, at that point I stopped trying. No one had explicitly said they wouldn't lynch me, but I just hung out until the end without saying/doing anything else really. I didn't end up in a useful endgame situation, I just got ignored for the rest of the game.
That was fine, right?
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Joacgroso » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:58 pm

In my opinion yes, it was fine, and you definitely wouldn't have been suspended for that. You can only be suspended for doing the things I listed in my previous post.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby EqsyLootz » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:01 pm

Bluebirdohno wrote:Sorry for the noob question, but about gamethrowing as jester, in one game I was RBed (by escort) with framer and mafioso (dead), there was a mafia kill that night along with a serial killer kill, I was then outted as not being an evil role. I kept trying but then investigator died and they'd investigated me and they had me as jester, at that point I stopped trying. No one had explicitly said they wouldn't lynch me, but I just hung out until the end without saying/doing anything else really. I didn't end up in a useful endgame situation, I just got ignored for the rest of the game.
That was fine, right?


Yeah that's not GT especially if you wait for mafia to kill ya.
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Brilliand » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:14 pm

Joacgroso wrote:For example, jesters can throw if in a 1 vs 1 vs 1 scenario they vote someone else up instead of trying to get lynched, since they are ending the game before the win. It isn't throwing if the other players said they weren't going to lynch the jester, but if some of them are willing to help, then it is.


Hmm, I have an argumentative question.

There was this one game where it was 1v1v1, Jester vs. Town vs. Coven. I was Coven, and I repeatedly voted the Jester up and innoed him, assuring him all the while that I would lynch him eventually (until the time ran out, after which I killed the Town and won with the Jester still alive).

If the Jester had gotten fed up with my behavior and lynched me before I threw away my last chance to lynch him, would he have been gamethrowing by doing so? Is my strategy a foolproof way for the evil to win in a 1v1v1 vs. Jester, because the Jester is gamethrowing if he doesn't allow it?
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Re: Is this a game throw?

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:22 am

I wouldn't say so. If the jester has reasons to believe he is being tricked, he is in the right to end the game however he wants. But if he votes someone else up before even giving them a chance to lynch him, then I'd say it's throwing.
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