Telling others to kys, hate speech or harrasment?

[Majik518]

So we have one judge who claims that telling others to KYS is not hate speech and will not do anything about it.
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But then we have another judge who agrees this is hate speech and takes care of the reports
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Can we get some consistency here? Because telling others to kill themselves over a video game is 100% hate speech.

[LevinSnakesRise]

Hatespeech/Harassment is one report category. Whether it's actually hate speech or harassment is irrelevant.

As far as the forum Report Players guidelines go, it's considered Harassment, as per TP's quote;

Hate speech. Phrases against race, sexual orientation, gender, or religion fall under hate speech. Pedophilia falls under this category as well. This will generally result in a permanent ban depending on severity.

As you can see, it isn't hate speech by those standards, as those standards are group-based, this is individual-based. (Not that it should matter, but.)


As for your example, you're pulling a thread from the beginning of last month, vs 2 threads from a few days ago. Not exactly the best comparison.

I wouldn't look down at inciting suicide as either one or the other, and personally, I'd handle it on the forums if reported, but that technically goes against the guidelines for Report Players when you're reporting it.

As far as Trial System and reporting it in-game goes, it's all one-in-the-same, so it really doesn't matter.


Apologies for any confusion. I've asked that Judges just close reports that are posted in Report Players that follow the rest of the guidelines correctly that incite suicide anyways if they come across them.

[Majik518]

Follow up question then. Why limit what is re-portable on the forums at all? Typically if something is going to be brought to the forums, its 99% of the time a completely valid report, and can't possibly take more then a few minutes for a judge to properly deal with it. Why allow these players to slip right through the trial system (which doesnt work btw) when you have all the proof you need right there?

[Meandrina]

Judges can only deal with reports. Forum reports are actually time consuming because a judge has to go find the report in question, which often takes more time than closing reports already validated by jurors as guilty. As forum reporting was created before the trial system and was never meant to last as long as it has.

Screenshots are not acceptable as truth since they have been faked before.

[kyuss420]

It is considered harrassment (by law), and any judge who does nothing about it, should be talked to by the devs.

If someone is consistently told to go kill themselves, and then goes and does it, and leaves a note saying the guys on ToS got to them, then the devs are liable for a lawsuit, if they didnt actively do anything to try and stop it.... not to mention the bad press the game and community would receive. and yes, it does happen...

[lalasex]

yall also realize some people might be more sensitive some others and might take it real serious.....so?

[James2]

It is considered harrassment (by law), and any judge who does nothing about it, should be talked to by the devs.

If someone is consistently told to go kill themselves, and then goes and does it, and leaves a note saying the guys on ToS got to them, then the devs are liable for a lawsuit, if they didnt actively do anything to try and stop it.... not to mention the bad press the game and community would receive. and yes, it does happen...

BMG is based in the United States, which is a free country. We do not have laws against "hate speech", and in any case our laws holds websites free of liability for what third-parties post on them.

If what you've said is an accurate description of the laws in Australia, then I feel bad for you. It must be terrible to have gone your entire life without knowing freedom.

[Transcender]

It is considered harrassment (by law), and any judge who does nothing about it, should be talked to by the devs.

If someone is consistently told to go kill themselves, and then goes and does it, and leaves a note saying the guys on ToS got to them, then the devs are liable for a lawsuit, if they didnt actively do anything to try and stop it.... not to mention the bad press the game and community would receive. and yes, it does happen...

BMG is based in the United States, which is a free country. We do not have laws against "hate speech", and in any case our laws holds websites free of liability for what third-parties post on them.

If what you've said is an accurate description of the laws in Australia, then I feel bad for you. It must be terrible to have gone your entire life without knowing freedom.

Free speech isnt a thing in america.
For example, shouting fire in a crowded building amd saying you are gonna kill the president
Nope
Not only that, inciting death and it actually leading to death can lead to punishment for the inciter. Obviously.

[kyuss420]

It is considered harrassment (by law), and any judge who does nothing about it, should be talked to by the devs.

If someone is consistently told to go kill themselves, and then goes and does it, and leaves a note saying the guys on ToS got to them, then the devs are liable for a lawsuit, if they didnt actively do anything to try and stop it.... not to mention the bad press the game and community would receive. and yes, it does happen...

BMG is based in the United States, which is a free country. We do not have laws against "hate speech", and in any case our laws holds websites free of liability for what third-parties post on them.

If what you've said is an accurate description of the laws in Australia, then I feel bad for you. It must be terrible to have gone your entire life without knowing freedom.

If you think youre free becuase you live in the United States, you have another think coming. Just look at your system of government... you are free to choose between two predetermined parties, the choices have already been made for you, but because you get to choose between the 2 predetermined choices, you think youre free? Lmao

Also your country is owned by the federal reserve. Your troops fight whatever wars make them a profit.. collateral for the 30+ trillion dollars your govt. owes them (interest, if you prefer). And where did they spend that 30 trillion? Healthcare? no... Education? the fact Im explaining this to you, means obviously not. Oh they spent it on weapons that they use to remove governments that dont have a federal reserve bank (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, North Korea, Syria, Iran... sound familiar?) and at the end of the day, the American people are gonna get just as fucked over as the rest of the world...its already happening XD

Besides.... Im pretty sure good ol Murica has Chain Of Responsibilty laws, just like the rest of the western world

[James2]

It is considered harrassment (by law), and any judge who does nothing about it, should be talked to by the devs.

If someone is consistently told to go kill themselves, and then goes and does it, and leaves a note saying the guys on ToS got to them, then the devs are liable for a lawsuit, if they didnt actively do anything to try and stop it.... not to mention the bad press the game and community would receive. and yes, it does happen...

BMG is based in the United States, which is a free country. We do not have laws against "hate speech", and in any case our laws holds websites free of liability for what third-parties post on them.

If what you've said is an accurate description of the laws in Australia, then I feel bad for you. It must be terrible to have gone your entire life without knowing freedom.

Free speech isnt a thing in america.
For example, shouting fire in a crowded building amd saying you are gonna kill the president
Nope
Not only that, inciting death and it actually leading to death can lead to punishment for the inciter. Obviously.

Threats, even made against the President, are only punishable if a reasonable person would be intimidated by them (whether subjective intent to intimidate is required is still an open question). See Watts vs. United States. Likewise, incitement to violence or other illegal activity is only punishable if its likely to cause "imminent lawless action". Advocacy of illegal acts is expressly protected, per Brandenburg v. Ohio.

Besides.... Im pretty sure good ol Murica has Chain Of Responsibilty laws, just like the rest of the western world

As best I can tell, "chain of responsibility" is a legal concept n Australia relating to transportation safety. What you think it has to do with America, or freedom of speech, is beyond me.

[James2]

A lot of what you said is sadly true, but we're still better off for the time being, because we at least can't be arrested for disagreeing with the government. Most Anglo countries have lost that freedom, and most others never had it.

[LevinSnakesRise]

Locking this. This was taken off topic, and bumped almost 3 weeks since the previous response.