Jailor meta needs to go

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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby Joacgroso » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:31 am

That would make games incredibly swingy. Town would have too much of an advantage if jailor spawns, and a horrible disadvantage if it doesn't.
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Postby Lewisfaisal4869 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:04 pm

Mafia can claim All TI roles.
Mafia can claim All TP roles.
Mafia can claim All TS roles.
Mafia can claim All TK roles.
Mafia can claim Jailor.

It simply depends on luck and effort.
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby Lewisfaisal4869 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 pm

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And you're perfect arent you.... oh wait you're deluded enough to actually believe that...
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Postby Brilliand » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:40 pm

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Mafia can claim All TI roles.
Mafia can claim All TP roles.
Mafia can claim All TS roles.
Mafia can claim All TK roles.
Mafia can claim Jailor.

It simply depends on luck and effort.


Mafia can even claim Psychic in a non-Coven game. It's great.
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby kyuss420 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:53 am

Sooo OP is complaining that maf need to target townies in a strategic order to win in ranked? Instead of say... randomly hitting randos and hoping to get lucky?
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby Brilliand » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:52 am

kyuss420 wrote:Sooo OP is complaining that maf need to target townies in a strategic order to win in ranked? Instead of say... randomly hitting randos and hoping to get lucky?


Or perhaps killing whoever seems the smartest in order to wreck Town's ability to scumread?
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby CheezePie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:40 am

Brilliand wrote:
kyuss420 wrote:Sooo OP is complaining that maf need to target townies in a strategic order to win in ranked? Instead of say... randomly hitting randos and hoping to get lucky?


Or perhaps killing whoever seems the smartest in order to wreck Town's ability to scumread?

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Postby wozearly » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:17 am

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Mafia can claim All TI roles.
Mafia can claim All TP roles.
Mafia can claim All TS roles.
Mafia can claim All TK roles.
Mafia can claim Jailor.

It simply depends on luck and effort.


I'm guessing you don't play Ranked above bronze level?

You can claim absolutely any role you like on paper, but some are impossible to sustain beyond one day, and some can be disproven the moment you attempt to claim via Town's meta-strategies (e.g. good luck claiming fake LO against an actual LO during the Jailor meta).

If you're forced into, or choose to make, an early claim then you need one with plausible deniability over a few days. There's actually only a few that really work for that; Town is well aware of them and treats them with suspicion (ie, there's a reason Transporter is more likely to be believed than Sheriff, unless no-one has ever claimed Transported).
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Re: Re:

Postby Lewisfaisal4869 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 pm

wozearly wrote:
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Mafia can claim All TI roles.
Mafia can claim All TP roles.
Mafia can claim All TS roles.
Mafia can claim All TK roles.
Mafia can claim Jailor.

It simply depends on luck and effort.


I'm guessing you don't play Ranked above bronze level?

You can claim absolutely any role you like on paper, but some are impossible to sustain beyond one day, and some can be disproven the moment you attempt to claim via Town's meta-strategies (e.g. good luck claiming fake LO against an actual LO during the Jailor meta).

If you're forced into, or choose to make, an early claim then you need one with plausible deniability over a few days. There's actually only a few that really work for that; Town is well aware of them and treats them with suspicion (ie, there's a reason Transporter is more likely to be believed than Sheriff, unless no-one has ever claimed Transported).


I ended last season Masters with less than 1k games, and that was my first season ever.
This season I'm already 1500 with 54% wl ratio and less than 100 games played.

Sheriff is an easy claim
Invest is an easy claim
As BMer, LO is a challenging but certainly possible claim
Spy is a viable claim

Both TPs are easy claims for any role, and even easier for certain RMs

TK works for Mafioso due to invest results and Godfather due to immunity

Escorts works for any Mafia as long as mafia is co-orindated and/or have an esc/hypno

Trans is a hard claim but also works with co-ordination

Mayor... I guess you could claim this

Medium is easy unless cc then it's a 1f1

Retri is interesting, but if cc still one for one.


Dont take my word for it, watch players like Irepptar. They nail claims like these, and they're there for you to watch on youtube.

Also, some claims are made with the intention of earning majority 6v6 or 6v5 d2 or d3. I can claim transporter and get Jailor to jail someone for not claiming transported to buy Mafia the time they need, etc...


All roles are possible to claim, what matters is how the game is going.


Also what's ur ign? Wozearly doesnt provide an elo when I put it into trialbot.

EDIT: I didnt point Jailor out, but look at literally any Saint game.
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Re: Re:

Postby EqsyLootz » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:21 pm

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:
wozearly wrote:
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Mafia can claim All TI roles.
Mafia can claim All TP roles.
Mafia can claim All TS roles.
Mafia can claim All TK roles.
Mafia can claim Jailor.

It simply depends on luck and effort.


I'm guessing you don't play Ranked above bronze level?

You can claim absolutely any role you like on paper, but some are impossible to sustain beyond one day, and some can be disproven the moment you attempt to claim via Town's meta-strategies (e.g. good luck claiming fake LO against an actual LO during the Jailor meta).

If you're forced into, or choose to make, an early claim then you need one with plausible deniability over a few days. There's actually only a few that really work for that; Town is well aware of them and treats them with suspicion (ie, there's a reason Transporter is more likely to be believed than Sheriff, unless no-one has ever claimed Transported).


I ended last season Masters with less than 1k games, and that was my first season ever.
This season I'm already 1500 with 54% wl ratio and less than 100 games played.

Sheriff is an easy claim
Invest is an easy claim
As BMer, LO is a challenging but certainly possible claim
Spy is a viable claim

Both TPs are easy claims for any role, and even easier for certain RMs

TK works for Mafioso due to invest results and Godfather due to immunity

Escorts works for any Mafia as long as mafia is co-orindated and/or have an esc/hypno

Trans is a hard claim but also works with co-ordination

Mayor... I guess you could claim this

Medium is easy unless cc then it's a 1f1

Retri is interesting, but if cc still one for one.


Dont take my word for it, watch players like Irepptar. They nail claims like these, and they're there for you to watch on youtube.

Also, some claims are made with the intention of earning majority 6v6 or 6v5 d2 or d3. I can claim transporter and get Jailor to jail someone for not claiming transported to buy Mafia the time they need, etc...


All roles are possible to claim, what matters is how the game is going.


Also what's ur ign? Wozearly doesnt provide an elo when I put it into trialbot.

EDIT: I didnt point Jailor out, but look at literally any Saint game.


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Re: Re:

Postby Kelisidina » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:12 pm

EqsyLootz wrote:
Also. Your last seasons elo is 1320. Not sure about you but that aint masters

Edit: and also this season you're 1209 Elo with a W/L of 50% out of two games soooooo


Not to mention a sub-50% WR that season as well... care to explain why you're saying these lies?

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Sheriff is an easy claim

If and when you get to your goal of masters, you will realize that shit does not fly. When it goes to mid-late game, sheriff claims are typically the first to go on the noose, especially when there is not enough leads. If anything, that should be the role you should fake-claim as town.
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Invest is an easy claim

I'm glad you put on your big boy pants. Investigator is an easy claim to handle, and I do approve of this.
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:As BMer, LO is a challenging but certainly possible claim

If I ever choose to come out as jailor day 1, I will immediately execute all LO claims that have not whispered to me their results in the first 10 seconds. There is absolutely no reason for you to remain silent, so I can exe any player who chose to wait for so long.
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Spy is a viable claim

If you are not bmer, then good luck. The amount of whispers jailor will receive day 2 is generally 4-5. You cannot determine as an evil if the jailor was rbed or not. That's why I tend to sway away from spy, since I tend to copy the real spy day 2.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:TK works for Mafioso due to invest results and Godfather due to immunity

There is absolutely no reason to claim TK day 2 if you do not have basic defense. I'm not sure if you saw the Season 5 rolelist when playing your 2 games, but there is a guaranteed witch. Coupled with the fact there is a higher chance of there being a vigilante in game than a veteran, all TK claims will die by their own ccs. The exception is if you are forced to claim due to an investigator.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Escorts works for any Mafia as long as mafia is co-orindated...

Are you unaware of what the jailor meta is? Jailor meta is when the jailor comes out and asks for tp/lo/spy and escort. If I was an escort, I see no reason to NOT roleblock the jailor night one. As a framer, you can't just claim 'oh im escort' with the jailor meta, claim to rb a maf, and to expect to NOT get exed.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:...and/or have an esc/hypno

Are you seriously suggesting that an consort/hypno claims escort? In the event of a spy, your ass is fucking done. There are so much better claims than your own town-esque role. A bmer claiming spy, a consig claiming invest? What's next for you? A framer claims jester when outed on stand?

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Trans is a hard claim but also works with co-ordination

Depends on the scenario, but with 3 other members, I would say it's not that bad.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Mayor... I guess you could claim this

Please go to the nearest police station and request a sobriety test. I am not going to discuss this further with you.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Medium is easy unless cc then it's a 1f1

Medium is one of the more harder roles to claim, especially with an experienced jailor yelling at you for a med chat in jail and to pull one out of your ass.
Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Retri is interesting, but if cc still one for one.

Again, depends on the situation.

Dont take my word for it, watch players like Irepptar. They nail claims like these, and they're there for you to watch on youtube.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Also, some claims are made with the intention of earning majority 6v6 or 6v5 d2 or d3. I can claim transporter and get Jailor to jail someone for not claiming transported to buy Mafia the time they need, etc...

I sincerely doubt a jailor will listen to a transporter who says 'jail ____ since they didn't claim transed', especially in a 6 v 6 or 6 v 5 crucial night.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:Also what's ur ign? Wozearly doesnt provide an elo when I put it into trialbot.

I do not see why using an IGN is necessary. This player has not played a game since May 29, 2020.

Lewisfaisal4869 wrote:EDIT: I didnt point Jailor out, but look at literally any Saint game.

With a bunch of regs, claiming jailor is impossible when some stupid default claims jailor day 1. There's no reason to not believe them.

If you do not believe me, check out this video where you can see claiming jailor as evil lead to the actual jailor being hanged.
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby OreCreeper » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:31 pm

Anyway, jailor meta is not overpowered anymore. End of story.
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Re: Jailor meta needs to go

Postby PrincessDespair » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:48 am

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