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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:40 pm

By the way, Gorilla, why would you not redeem your private gift reserves? Using one frees up space for another...
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby TheLastEvangelist » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:23 pm

How very interesting
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:32 am

The problem with having a randomized plate swap order is that the broker loses a particularly potent ability:
Buying premium food at the last minute.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:45 am

Anyways, I've been working out the math.

Sorcerer, I'm sorry, but you've lost. Don't shoot the messenger. Instead, consider it your just reward for being too hasty to eliminate The Swan.

During the challenge phase, The Caterpillar will challenge The Gorilla, only to be denied.
Then, I will do the same, leaving The Gorilla with 2 gift reserves.
During the dinner phase, we shall guess out The Narwhal, and I shall poison The Caterpillar, forcing them to take Premium Food, leaving them with no Guess Immunity and 1 Deny. The Gorilla will then redeem a free guess, and guess The Caterpillar as The Cheater.
Then, the Caterpillar will challenge The Gorilla once more, only to be denied with The Gorilla's last gift reserve. I will then challenge the Gorilla, and claim one more gift for myself. Using this gift, I shall buy guess immunity, then poison and DSG The Caterpillar after voting out The Gorilla.

I cannot guarantee any of you will agree to this plan, but I can guarantee any defectors will not reach the throne.

If I find myself in a situation where both of you have betrayed me simultaneously, and I am forced to choose one to crown, I will choose The Caterpillar. This is to account for unforseen methods of defecting, such as collectively forgetting to buy Guess Immunity.

Narwhal, there is little you can do to intervene in this. You can challenge the Caterpillar to get them an additional gift, but you will not be able to redeem yours before you are voted out of the game. The additional gift The Caterpillar has can only stop me from finishing them off in one of the two ways mentioned in my grand finale, but it cannot prevent their demise. Challenging The Gorilla will only result in them denying you, which will leave them one gift short down the line. This translates to an undenied challenge from The Caterpillar, granting them one gift and leading to the same conclusion as before. Challenging me will remove my deny, but nowhere in my plan have I used my deny.
The worst that can happen from removing my deny is that immediately after this happens, The Caterpillar challenges me, forcing me to accept. The gift they receive as a result will be used to protect them from poisoning. In the meantime, you, with no Guess Immunity, will be DSGed by The Gorilla, leaving a 2 reserve, 2 deny Gorilla up against a 1 (useless) deny, 1 reserve Caterpillar (They safely forwent getting Guess Immunity). The Gorilla will use 1 deny on the challenge phase, then buy JUST Guess Immunity in the Voting Phase. They then see if The Caterpillar had bought Guess Immunity, and buy a Free Guess only if they had not. Now, The Caterpillar is either missing their credibility or their reserve, and they get denied once more. The Gorilla buys Guess Immunity and a deny, and by the end of the dinner phase, The Caterpillar should be disarmed of their credibility and their reserve, while The Gorilla has but a single deny left. They deny once again, and buy Guess Immunity the next dinner phase, and DSG The Caterpillar.
TLDR; Close fight, but The Caterpillar cannot win solely with your assistance. Apologies.

On the off chance that The Gorilla happens to be the pharmacist... oops.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby NDM » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:56 am

Honestly, don't care if I lose. I had fun.
Spoiler: Thanks Archo and sorry for rushing you

Anyone who thinks they can debate me without evidence cannot win a debate. Anyone who just uses one quote as a point shows they are the failure, and prove the opposing side.

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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:58 am

I share that sentiment, although it's a bit hard to believe coming from someone who would write up an entire plan of what happens until the end of the game.
Sometimes it's fun to overthink things. Sometimes.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:49 am

why would deny the cheater? its not logical considering its the only one below me on both lists left alive
edit after re reading cheaters abilitty i probably willl
as being voted is not my game, but i will somehow get this win
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby NDM » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:16 am

Oh First, I love overthinking stuff. But I knew my days were numbered so I went "Fuck it, if I die, so does Swan."
Spoiler: Thanks Archo and sorry for rushing you

Anyone who thinks they can debate me without evidence cannot win a debate. Anyone who just uses one quote as a point shows they are the failure, and prove the opposing side.

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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:42 am

sunfirejr wrote:why would deny the cheater? its not logical considering its the only one below me on both lists left alive
edit after re reading cheaters abilitty i probably willl
as being voted is not my game, but i will somehow get this win

If you're planning on winning, you should be trying to convince The Caterpillar to grant that win to you.
Or, you should be looking for holes in my plan, one moment where you can win, regardless of the actions of me and The Caterpillar combined. If no such opportunity exists (or it does and you wrongly identified it) yet you deviate from my plan, I will instantly retaliate by giving full support to The Caterpillar to ensure their victory, unless I can still force a victory in a similar fashion. It's easy to do so: The Caterpillar would be delighted to have an influx of challenges (and gifts).
Or, you should be the Pharmacist.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:46 am

Apologies for being demoralizing. It's just that I am no stranger to having victory crushed by one's false hope.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:58 am

i mean caterpillar cant win, so if i can convince him to give the win, i can certainly try however, my second option is i dont guess him, thus giving me more gifts to prem food
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:08 am

If you don't guess him, I will consider that a betrayal attempt, and start challenging The Caterpillar in an attempt to crown them (what pronoun do you prefer, Caterpillar?) the victor. Again, they'd be more than happy to accept.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:24 am

so i say you let me win, and i dont guess you?


because if i win, i'll just guess parrot as posioner

if im wrong, your on your own catterpillar
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:53 am

Let you win?
If you meant a challenge:
I doubt the cheater is allowed to deactivate their ability to cheat. Besides, if they did, I would vote them out.

If you meant the whole game:
...uh. ...wha...? How...?
...Caterpillar, you understand what they're saying, right? I'm guessing this means they are offering you second place. I already offer you second place, so would you choose them over me?
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:57 am

...Crap, I just gave The Caterpillar an idea, didn't I.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [5/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:00 am

Blackajack wrote:We are now at a player size where phase skips may be done if all players are in agreement. I will fast forward a phase, or several phases if all agreed to it.

Hey, I never saw this!
/skip Dinner Phase 3
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby NDM » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:13 am

/skip
Spoiler: Thanks Archo and sorry for rushing you

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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 am

/skip
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Dinner Phase 3 [4/13]

Postby Blackajack » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:32 am

Phase was about to end regardless. Updating soon.
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BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby Blackajack » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:32 pm

Dinner Phase 3 Results:


Further Interest:

Spoiler: All quiet.



In memorium

Spoiler: May fate grant those that seek power the privilage and pity of death;
For the Dog, whom's poison surpassed them couragously-
For the Cobra, whom's music struck a chord mighty-
For the Duck, whom's words spoke of a truth loudly-
For the Turritopsis Dohrnii, whom's answered of mortality-
For the Smiling Dragon, whom's act with great nobility-
For the Fox, whom's love of lives cunning-
For the Eagle, whom's rebelious heart flew solumnly-

Amen.


Gifts wrote:NDM - The Narwhal: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/
sunfirejr - The Gorilla: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/
UzayAltay - The Turritopsis dohrnii: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Reversaled by a Soldier
PokemonKidRyan - The Swan: 1/5 Deny/ 2/3 Encore/ 1/2 Reserve/ Magically Killed
tardispaten - The Smiling Dragon: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Murdered
destawaits - The Pufferfish: 3/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 1/2 Reserve/ 'Honourably' slain
TheNiceOne16 - The Fox: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 2/2 Reserve/ Revealed as a Blackmailer
FirstToGetThisName - The Parrot: 0/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 1/2 Reserve/
TheLastEvangelist - The Caterpillar: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 1/2 Reserve/
Chemist1422 - The Eagle: 1/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Executed
cupcakeaj2 - The Duck: 2/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Revealed as an Author
DJVoxel - The Cobra: 3/5 Deny/ 0/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Revealed as a Musician
Bluedetroyer - The Dog: 2/5 Deny/ 1/3 Encore/ 0/2 Reserve/ Poisoned


A new round has begun

It is now the challenge phase.

48 hours remain


Pending:
None

Accepted:
The Caterpillar shall dance with the Parrot

Denied:
The Narwhal's dance has been denied by the Parrot!

Cowards:
The Gorilla
The Parrot


Remaining:
None.
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:06 pm

/nochallenge
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby NDM » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:35 pm

I am screwed so going down fighting.

/challenge Parrot to dance
Spoiler: Thanks Archo and sorry for rushing you

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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:49 pm

/deny The Narwhal's challenge

...what order did the plates swap in?
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby sunfirejr » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:51 pm

one where the swans dead plate ended up poisoined
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Re: BtM T15 - All and Only - Challenge Phase 4 [4/13]

Postby FirstToGetThisName » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:58 pm

Er, poison doesn't work if the original target bought premium food.
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