Secret Hitler III: Revenge of the Fascists (Canned)

[Chemist1422]

This is the game thread for Secret Hitler, copypasted from Rick's version. Rules are as follows:

1. As always, if you are not a living player in this thread, strictly, please do not post here.

2. Standard Forum Mafia rules apply. Do not spam, do not be disrespectful, no angleshooting, no intentional gamethrowing, no screenshotting your role card, the whole shebang. Anything I might yell at you for in any other social deception game, I'm probably going to yell at you for here. So please don't.

3. No outside communication of any kind. Even if you are a member of the informed minority. All communication between players will happen in this thread only. Any communication outside of this thread will happen only between you and myself. There will be no means for Fascists to talk to each other besides where all the Liberals can see you. If you're going to attempt to tell Hitler who his teammates are, the Liberals are going to get the chance to know that this happened.

4. Please make at least 2 posts of reasonable content every 24 in-game hours. If you do not, I will prod you. This means you must contribute at least two actual game content posts to the game every 24 hours, or I will poke you. If I have to prod you three times, or if you do not respond to the prod after 12 hours, you will be replaced.

5. The Phases for this game will work as follows:

- Government Phase lasts 24 hours until 3 Fascist policies have been played.
- After 3 Fascist policies have been played, Government Phase extends to 48 hours.
- If the President has not chosen a Candidate before the final 6 hours of Government Phase, one will be chosen for them.
- After I have received all votes on that President and Chancellor via PM, the Government Phase ends and I will reveal the result of the vote. Your vote is public information.
- If government passes, a 24-hour Policy Enactment Phase begins. The first 12 hours is for the President, and the last 12 for the Chancellor. Once the President or Chancellor have made a decision regarding a policy, I will skip the remaining time of their segment in this phase.
- If you don't submit an action during Policy Enactment at all, I will make one for you depending on your alignment.
- The game thread will remain locked during the entire duration of a Policy Enactment phase.
- If a Fascist policy is enacted, a 12 hour Special Power phase begins, and the elected President must use the power. The Game Thread will reopen at this time. Once the power is used, the action is locked, and I inform the President or the group of any results. After this, a new Government Phase begins.
- The Liberals Win if they pass 5 Liberal Policies, or kill Hitler.
- The Fascists Win if they pass 6 Fascist Policies, or elect Hitler as Chancellor after 3 Fascist Policies have been enacted.


Game Information and Play Procedure:

The Basics of the Game:

Spoiler:

As we are playing a 10 Player Game, this will be the Policy Track boards we will be using for this game:



The Policy Deck will begin holding 11 Fascist policies and 6 Liberal policies.

How Phases Work:

Spoiler: Government Phase:

The President will say: /nominate X as Chancellor OR nominate X as Chancellor (color code FF0000) OR nominate X as Chancellor (color code 800000). Any of these formats are accepted, but one must be used.
This Chancellor cannot have been the previously elected President or Chancellor of the previous policy.
After this, the nomination is made final. The President cannot change their mind, even if they wish to nein their own pick later.

After this, players may then vote on the pick. Please send me a vote on your Discord Private Table, saying either a Ja! (Yes) or a Nein! (No). When you have done this, make sure to ping me (@Chemist1422) so that I will be notified that you have voted for this phase.

Once I have received everyone's votes for this phase, it will end, and the results of the vote will be revealed. If you do not vote and the clock runs out, you will be counted as a Nein. How you voted will be public information, so be aware of this!

If the vote passes, the Government is elected, and Policy Enactment Phase will begin.

If the vote fails, then the Presidency advances down one step to the next candidate, and the next Presidential Candidate must now pick during a new Government Phase. The Election Tracker will advance one step to the right. Tied votes are considered to be failed votes.

If the Election Tracker reaches the rightmost space of the Liberal track, it will retreat three spaces back to the left, and the Top Card of Policy Deck will be enacted. After this, any players term locked for the Presidency and Chancellor will no longer be term limited.




Policy Enactment Phase:

The President will receive three cards. Tell me EITHER which one card you would like to discard, OR which two cards you would like to pass to your Chancellor.
The Chancellor will then receive two cards. Tell me which card you would like to discard, and which you would like to enact.

Whenever the President or Chancellor have made a decision, I will skip their remaining portion of this phase, and advance to either the Chancellor's turn, or begin the next phase of the game.
If your hand would be forced (because all of your cards are either Liberal or Fascist), then in the interest of moving the game along, I may discard one of your policies after a random unspecified amount of time. If I have done this, please do not say so, as it will be considered an angleshooting violation.

Otherwise, if I do not hear from you during Policy Enactment, I will do the following in your place:

If you are a Liberal, I will discard a Fascist policy.
If you are Hitler or Fascist, I will discard a Liberal policy.

Once the President and Chancellor have enacted a policy, the Election Tracker will retreat to the left most space of the Election Tracker, if it is not already on that space.

Once 5 Fascist policies have been enacted, Veto Zone is now in effect. This will work as follows:

The President will discard one card and pass two cards along as normal.
INSTEAD of the Chancellor enacting one of those policies, the Chancellor may notify me that they wish to ask the President to veto the policies given.
I will then notify the President of the Chancellor's request. If the President tells me that they accept the Chancellor's Veto, the policies are discarded.
If the President refuses the Chancellor's request to Veto, then the Chancellor must play one of the two policies.

If a President and Chancellor both agree to Veto the policies, then the election tracker advances by one step to the right.



Special Power Phase:

This will always begin after a Fascist policy is enacted for this game.

The game thread will reopen and the outgoing President must now use the power given to them. Three powers will be in use for this game:

Party Membership Peek, in which the President must view which party the player is a member of;
Special Election, in which the President must choose the next Presidential Candidate for the next government;
Execution, in which the President must kill another player.

For any Party Membership Peek, the President must declare in thread which person they will peek, using /view X's membership. I will send the President a PM indicating which Party that player is a member of. The President may then tell the truth, lie, or even withhold, what they saw. You cannot view the Party Membership of a player whose membership has already been viewed.

For any Special Election, the President must choose the next Presidential Candidate by saying either /declare X as President OR declare X as President (color code 0000FF). This is a one time, out of turn order, pick of Presidential Candidate. Any person may be chosen for this power with the singular exception of the outgoing President, who must choose any player other than themselves. Whether that Presidential Candidate's government passes or fails, turn order of Presidency resumes with the player below the President who used the Special Election power- even if this player was the chosen President for the Special Election (i.e this may result in the same person being the Presidential Candidate twice).

For any Execution, the President must declare the shot in thread by either saying /shoot X, /execute X, Shoot X, or Execute X (color code FF0000). The chosen player immediately dies and can no longer speak. I will announce publically if the chosen player was Hitler. If they were Hitler, the game immediately ends and the Liberals have won. Otherwise, the game continues with one less living player.

After any Power has been used, Special Power phase ends. If the game continues, Government Phase begins.
Any power that is not used by the President will be used at complete random.

Role Cards:

Spoiler: There will be 6 Liberals who don't know anyone's role,
3 Fascists who know everyone's role,
and 1 Hitler who doesn't know anyone's role.
Hitler is on the Fascist team, and holds a Fascist party membership card.

Here are what the role cards for the game will look like:

Liberal



You are a Liberal.

You don't know anyone else's role.

You win with the Liberals if you pass 5 Liberal policies.
You also win with the Liberals if Hitler is ever killed.

Fascist



You are a Fascist.

Your other Fascist allies are X, and Y.
Your great leader, Hitler, is Z.

You cannot communicate with your allies anywhere else besides openly on the thread where the Liberals can see you.

You win with the Fascists if you pass 6 Fascist policies.
You also win with the Fascists if Hitler is elected Chancellor after 3 Fascist policies are enacted.

Hitler



You are Hitler.

You don't know anyone else's role.

You win with the Fascists if you pass 6 Fascist policies.
You also win with the Fascists if Hitler is elected Chancellor after 3 Fascist policies are enacted.

Tips and Tricks:

If you are Liberal:

Spoiler: Do not play this game like it's Mafia, for starters. It is a very different game. While it is useful to have people know who you trust and distrust, sometimes it is better for the group that you put aside your feelings about a particular player being in the government if it helps the group as a whole learn something useful about the players involved.

Before Hitler Zone (three Fascist policies are enacted), get as many people involved in government as you possibly can. The fewer people you know nothing about, the stronger your options become later when your decisions really matter, and make or break your survival in the game. If you are the President in the first few turns of the game, try to make someone Chancellor who will not be President for at least 2 or 3 governments. Try to pick people who have never been picked before. If you know nothing about a player, this is how you learn something about them.

It is a good idea to use a Party Membership peek on someone who will be the next President rather soon, or on someone you know nothing about at all.

Remember that Fascists can lie about anything. They will lie at some point in this game. They might lie about any policy cards they see, as either the President or the Chancellor. They might lie (or even tell the truth) about what Party Membership they saw a person have. Be prepared for any outcome. Fascists are going to try to confuse you into not knowing what actually happened in this game. Because of this, making assumptions, rather than guesses, as to an event that occurred in this game can be extremely dangerous if you weren't actually involved in what happened.

After Hitler Zone, everything changes. At this stage, you're going to want to stick with the people you think are the most likely to be Liberal, and you tend to not want to risk on people you know nothing about. Hitler Zone will be the time that you really need to focus on the people you think are most likely to be Liberal and Fascist when making decisions about who should be in government.

At some point, you might find yourself in conflict with another player, either because your President/Chancellor just lied about what cards you saw, or because someone said your Party Membership is Fascist, or because you saw a Fascist's party membership.

If you are in conflict, try everything in your power to be the obvious Liberal in that conflict. Do everything in your power to make sure your Fascist in your conflict dies first. Try everything you can to figure out what that Fascist wants and doesn't want. Try to determine teammates. Do everything in your power to ensure that the Liberals can rely on you to help them come to the right decisions.

Players in Conflict always contain at least 1 Fascist in the conflict, mechanically. The conflict might be L vs F, or even F vs F, but it's never going to be L vs L. Because of this, you might want to treat these players as being Frozen (do not pick them until Hitler Zone, or ever again) because there is a high chance the person you would otherwise involve would be a Fascist and can cause you further problems.

It is okay to favor people in a Conflict. It is okay to say something like "right now I trust X more than Y", or vice versa. Try not to let that belief cloud your judgment. It is still unwise to let the person you trust get into government if you don't have to risk it.

I strongly recommend against using your Party Membership Peeks on people in conflict. If you get yourself involved, you are now part of the conflict: (L v F v L, [L + L] v F, or [L + F] v F) which would also result in your being frozen with that Conflict because your fellow Liberals won't be able to know if they can trust that you are not just a Fascist also causing more chaos in that conflict.

Never let a person in conflict become President- especially during Hitler Zone. This would risk giving Fascists a crippling amount of power, to manipulate you into trusting them as they elect Hitler, or to throw Liberal policies away, and cause Liberals to die.

During Hitler Zone (3-4 Fascist Policies played), it is okay to risk picking a regular Fascist as Chancellor, rather than risk picking someone you can't rule out as being Hitler. You do not want to pass the government if you are not very confident in the person being a Liberal President. You have two goals in Hitler Zone: Don't elect Hitler as Chancellor, and don't make a Fascist your President.

During Veto Zone (5 Fascist Policies played), you must make sure both people in Government are Liberal, strictly. If a Fascist makes it into either branch, you almost certainly just lost.

Before Hitler Zone begins, neining should be rare- unless a Conflict has been picked. You would probably rather a Conflict get picked, though, if neining that government would otherwise result in a Top Card policy enacted because of three failed governments.

Conversely, it is obviously okay to nein a lot once Hitler Zone begins. It is better to top deck a policy because you've neined too much, than risk Hitler being Chancellor, or a Fascist being president, once Hitler Zone begins.

It is almost always a good idea to always discard Fascist Policies, and always enact Liberal policies. You almost always want to tell the truth about what cards you saw. You always want to tell the truth about the party membership you saw a person have. There are VERY few exceptions to these rules. They are so rare that I won't bother getting into them. Be as Liberal as you can. The more Liberal you are, the more your friends can trust you.

If you are Fascist:

Spoiler: Walk down a tightrope.

Be as Fascist as you can be, without making it abundantly obvious that you are Fascist. Do the most amount of damage you can do while looking as innocent as possible.

If you are the President, if you draw a Liberal Policy, you almost always want to throw that Liberal policy away. If you are the Chancellor, if given the choice to play either a Liberal or Fascist policy, you're probably going to want to play the Fascist policy- especially before Hitler Zone begins (3 Fascist Policies Played).

Lie like a dog. Especially if your President or Chancellor is a Liberal. Claim that you never drew the blue you tossed, when you did. If you claim the blue you tossed, tell everyone that your Chancellor threw it away (i.e "I drew a blue, but THEY were the ones who decided to play the red!") if you are the President. If you are the Chancellor, claim that you never got the blue in the first place (i.e "No, I never got a blue, they gave me two reds!"). For the record, in case it needs to be said: You should lie at some point in this game about something you were involved with. You want to make things as confusing as possible for the Liberals so that they run around in circles unsure of who to trust.

If you draw multiple Liberal policies, it is almost always a good idea to throw one of those away, and claim you drew a red instead. (I.e if you draw 2 Liberal Policies and a Fascist, pass one of each and claim that you drew 2 Fascists and 1 Liberal).

As a group, you and your other Regular Fascists have to play as many Fascist Policies as you can, while blaming the most Liberals for those policies as you can get away with without looking like an obvious team. The more Fascist you are, the more confusion you cause, the more you will allow Hitler to blend in and look like an innocent Liberal, and the better your chances of causing the actual Liberals to either kill each other, or trust Hitler too much.

Some of you are going to want to conflict with other Liberals so that you prevent those Liberals from otherwise doing helpful work for the enemy team. Try not to conflict too much- if all of you are in conflict, then the Liberals will at least have some idea on who to trust once they remove all of you from the equation.

Try to let Hitler know that you're on his Team- if it's safe. The most reliable way of doing this is by playing a Fascist policy when he is the President, and hands you a choice; or by peeking Hitler, and saying that you saw his Liberal party membership. Both decisions carry risks, though. If you're going to do this, the Liberals might find out, so be careful.

After Hitler Zone, if you ever become President, find the best most innocent excuse you can get to throw a blue policy away, just to shoot a Liberal. Shooting a Liberal who was confirmed not to be Hitler is especially great.

At the end of the day, you are the expendable lackeys who are doing all of the work for your glorious leader. Until then- blend in.

If you are Hitler:

Spoiler: In general, read the Liberal aspect of this guide. Follow it as much as you can, with a couple of caveats:

If the Liberals have a lot of Liberal Policies on the board, and there are very few Fascist policies on the board, either the deck is not being kind to your team, or your Fascists aren't doing a good job. You might have to be a bit of a harder Fascist to win in these cases. You may have to toss a few Liberal Policies just to ensure that Fascist Policies get played at all.

If you're feeling brave, you might even decide to conflict another player. You can do this, but I would recommend against doing this- conflicted players are very likely to get shot first, and as you don't know your teammates, you might end up having no idea of knowing whether or not you conflicted a Fascist. An experienced Hitler might be able to use this to their advantage, but many Hitlers will not, and freezing your teammates usually spells disaster. Resorting to conflicting another player should only be used as a final resort, if ever at all.

Generally, you want to appear to be solving the game. You want to be as helpful to the Liberals as you can. You want them to trust you. You want to give them every reason not to kill you. You can't let them win, but if your teammates are doing their job, they're the ones looking more Fascist so that you don't have to.

Be careful about being too eager to share what actions you did. Your team might try to signal you- by playing something a Liberal wouldn't, or by saying something to you that you know for a fact a Liberal would never say (e.g. "I played a red policy on choice" or "I saw your party membership and it said Liberal"). Be careful not to slip something that results in the both of you being outted, or you're in for a very miserable game.

You don't know your teammates. That alone is going to suck- your choices will either make or break all the difference for the Fascists. Try to figure out how much help your Fascists need from you before you try to act like a Fascist. Until then, always look as Liberal as you can.

And, if all of the chips turn against you, just remember- this is your destiny, your country!

But, seriously. If you screw up, you're probably the least responsible person for it on your team.

Best of luck. The fate of our glorious country- and perhaps the world- rests in your hands!

[Chemist1422]

POLICY TRACK:


LIBERAL

L L L - -


FASCIST

F F F - - -

Player List (in order of Presidential Candidates:)

Phone0Ix
AlbanixAnubibus
EvilDeanius0
Bluedetroyer
ejjinami
UzayAltay
timurtheking (term locked)
dota2reporter (PRESIDENT)
Arcthurus
Rickdaily12 (term locked)

ISOs (in order of signup number):

Chemist1422 (Host)

Phone0Ix
TimeToReap AlbanixAnubibus
EvilDeanius0
Bluedetroyer
ejjinami
UzayAltay
timurtheking
dota2reporter
Arcthurus
Rickdaily12

[Chemist1422]

Rolecards are going out now. Do not post until Government Phase 1 begins.

[Chemist1422]

Government Phase 1 begins!

(PRESIDENT) Phone0Ix
TimeToReap
EvilDeanius0
Bluedetroyer
ejjinami
UzayAltay
timurtheking
dota2reporter
Arcthurus
Rickdaily12

Phone0Ix is the first presidential candidate. He has 18 hours to choose a chancellor, or one will be chosen for him.

Government Phase 1 will end at 7:30 AM (UTC-6) on September 9th, 2019.

[TimeToReap]

Appear in view my posts or I will kill you

[timurtheking]

Welcome to another game of nevr being president or chancellor

[Rickdaily12]

Government Phase 1 begins!

(PRESIDENT) Phone0Ix
TimeToReap
EvilDeanius0
Bluedetroyer
ejjinami
UzayAltay
timurtheking
dota2reporter
Arcthurus
Rickdaily12

Phone0Ix is the first presidential candidate. He has 18 hours to choose a chancellor, or one will be chosen for him.

Government Phase 1 will end at 7:30 AM (UTC-6) on September 9th, 2019.

Oh. Well. That's just grand, really. Guess I won't be the President this game either. Hey everyone.

Phone, you have two good order choices, and either you decide to go with will be fine. Either set us on a 1-6 2-7 3-8 4-9 5-10 Order Path, or onto a 1-10 2-9 3-8 4-6 5-7 path. If you would rather the first set, make Uzay Chancellor. If you'd rather the second, go with me. Either set of picks will give everyone a chance at the deck before it reshuffles, which would be ideal.

I would prefer that you go with one of these sets at all. Having a set order now will prevent Fascists from having freedom about which Liberals to conflict, or an ideal spot to go Fas-Fas to likely double ditch blues.

[timurtheking]

Rick is facist

[Rickdaily12]

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

[ejjinami]

I’m a lib......rary

I swallow and spit out books for a living

[ejjinami]

Honestly, the guide is great :/
I would have totally tried to play this game like FM lol

[ejjinami]

There are no flips/role reveals, right?

And do I need to be able to read the stuff on the “policy track” in the “basics” section?
Or whatever that’s called
That’s probably the only part of the game I don’t fully understand

[Arcthurus]

cant wait to be prez

[timurtheking]

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

Yeah ur facist

[TimeToReap]

Yes

[TimeToReap]

I too

[TimeToReap]

Like triple posting

[Rickdaily12]

I’m a lib......rary

I swallow and spit out books for a living

Trying really hard not to look too much into the shy away from claiming to be a Liberal. I really am. <_<

Honestly, the guide is great :/
I would have totally tried to play this game like FM lol

Good, glad you feel that way. It honestly saves me a shitton of time and energy convincing you that every aspect of the Liberal guide is how I truly and honestly feel about how we should progress as we carry on through the game, lol.

There are no flips/role reveals, right?

And do I need to be able to read the stuff on the “policy track” in the “basics” section?
Or whatever that’s called
That’s probably the only part of the game I don’t fully understand

Aside from Hitler, no.

The Policy Track is just there to tell you what government powers happen and when. First two are Peeks, third is Special Election, final two are shots. HZ begins after Policy 3, VZ begins after Policy 5.

Unless, of course, you were only interested in the Liberal Track, right, ejj?

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

Yeah ur facist

I have played literally one game of correspondence Secret Hitler. I'm pretty sure you didn't see that one. So shove it. Call this "provoking" or whatever you what, it's still bullshit.

[Cenvil2]

(spectating)

[ejjinami]

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

have you ever seen timur play anything

Honestly, him popping up and trying to "progress the game"(?) so quickly gives me bad vibes but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a personal/emotional bias
/shrug

[Chemist1422]

(spectating)

(check your discord DMs)

[Rickdaily12]

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

have you ever seen timur play anything

Honestly, him popping up and trying to "progress the game"(?) so quickly gives me bad vibes but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a personal/emotional bias
/shrug

Is this directed at me?

Because if so, I didn't want Phone to pick a Chancellor without us talking about how we're going to involve all 10 of us in the first deck. It matters. If he picks out of either of those orders, it's already too late to prevent the two objectives I outlined.

So yeah, it required a quick jump-in.

[timurtheking]

Ok so rick is a facist by his reactions

And ejj might be his facist buddy but thats not concrete

[TimeToReap]

Rick is facist

Have you even seen me play this game?

have you ever seen timur play anything

Honestly, him popping up and trying to "progress the game"(?) so quickly gives me bad vibes but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a personal/emotional bias
/shrug

Is this directed at me?

Because if so, I didn't want Phone to pick a Chancellor without us talking about how we're going to involve all 10 of us in the first deck. It matters. If he picks out of either of those orders, it's already too late to prevent the two objectives I outlined.

So yeah, it required a quick jump-in.

Yes I agree.
Let’s all be stupidly competitive and throw fun out the window.

(Not even being sarcastic)

[Rickdaily12]

Ok so rick is a facist by his reactions

And ejj might be his facist buddy but thats not concrete

Humor me.

Why is Liberal!You trying to start shit the instant the game starts? Is it because you have no idea what you're doing, or are you actually dumb enough to think you're going to learn something from me if I were a Fascist?

If it's the former, cut it out, and if it's the latter, don't disrespect me by even bothering. I'm not a Fascist, and even if I was, you wouldn't learn jack shit by trying this. I play this game too much to not be more careful than that.

I'm just irritated with your approach so far, because you're playing this like you would a Mafia Day 1. Stop doing that.