Survivor: CvC- FINALE-The Sole Survivor.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist: Is it true that you were attempting to eliminate timur throughout much of the game?

I swung F8 off of him and saved him at F7, so I'd say since F6

[Chemist1422]

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

If that doesn’t show some impact i had on the game /shrug

It wasn't because I didn't trust/like you

It was because you clearly thought you could win an F3 with me/you/Javi and I didn't want to make it easier on you

You winning means I lose

No, i respect how Javi played and he had a very good win chance as well but I think N was the bigger threat between him and javi

I'm aware of that

You told me it when you were pushing me to vote N

[Technetium]

What does "swung f8 off of him" mean?

[timurtheking]

Are me and chem allowed to talk to eachother like this or not? I’ve never done this in any other FtC

[npromin1]

Npromin1, my first question is for you:

In the final chance to play Idols, you played two, neither of which affected the course of the vote. By doing this, you demonstrated that you were capable of finding two idols and bringing them to final six. This seems like it ought to have made you appear to be very much a threat, and discussion in the Outpost at the time indicated that other Jury members apparently saw that as a poor move. Playing an idol on yourself just in case is understandable, but why the second idol play? Did you just want to show off that you had two idols, or was there something else?

Was hoping to get the opportunity to discuss this. This probably was the biggest mistake I had this game. The way I saw it, I had two choices:

1. Don't play the idols at all.

2. Play one idol on Javi and one on Chem to cancel out all votes.

I ended up picking option 1.5, which is be paranoid and play one on myself and one on Chem to cancel out two votes.

In retrospect I really should've picked Option #1. I knew logically I wouldn't receive any votes, and I knew the votes would be a 3-2-1 split on Mush. Until I told Chem, nobody knew I had an idol except Javi, and even then they were aware two idols were in play and believed Timur/Sam had them. At the same time, it seemed that Timur's alliance bought the story that Javi and Chem had both idols. So I could have easily just not played either and not made myself appear as a threat.

I could have also picked Option #2, which is be super duper flashy and throw out two idols and cancel all votes. That would've made me appear far more as a threat than ever.

I ended up going in the middle and I admit I should have been more decisive, probably picking Option #1.

My point is, you're exactly right, Tech. I could chosen not to play the idols, or maybe just played one on myself, but then noone would know that I made it to F6 with both idols. That did hurt me, casting me as a threat, but I still did what I had to do to survive and made it here.

So yeah. That decision.

Another question for N:

7. How long of a time were you working to keep timur in the game, and if you were intending to take him to FTC, why him? What makes you think you can beat him in FTC?

So the first time I betrayed Timur was in F8.

I had a double vote totem and played it on Timur. Unfortunately, things didn't go as planned because for some reason Chem/Gabby/Javi decided to vote Sam without telling me, while Timur/Kevin/Mush/Sam piled their votes on Gabby, which caused a 4-3-2 split, MUCH to my annoyance.

In F7 I voted for Timur instead of Kevin. Somehow, however, there was a 5-5 tie. Which means one of Chem/Javi didn't put both of their votes on Timur. :/ In the tie, I flipped, because Mush convinced Chem and Javi to flip too, so I went along with it and flipped.

And F6/F5/F4 Timur won immunity.

So, yeah, I wasn't planning on letting Timur get this far but it happened. As for what makes me think I beat him in FTC right now? Timur received a SHIT ton of votes during this game. Outside of F4, I only received 2 votes, 1 from Multi in the first tribal council we were in way back when, and 1 from Gabby which I told Gabby to vote me for reasons which I will explain later. Timur survived by the skin of his teeth, and if if weren't for F8/F7 shenanigans and him winning challenges and immunity in the latter half of the merge, he would be long gone by now. That being said, I still respect his ability to get here.

HOLY FUCK CAN Y'ALL SLOW DOWN I CANT KEEP UP

[Chemist1422]

What does "swung f8 off of him" mean?

I could have chosen to take him out in F8, but I swung the vote off of him and onto Sam

It clearly backfired but that wasn't something I could have predicted

[timurtheking]

My survival shinigans in 8/7 was me talking with people like kevin javi etc
I would say the survvial by skin of teeth happened due to my game

[Technetium]

N: A lot of those votes on Timur may have been from people I was trying to get to vote Timur while I was still around.

From what I've been able to figure out, you voted me then instead of Timur like I expected.

What made me look like a better target then, or is my information incorrect?

[timurtheking]

N: A lot of those votes on Timur may have been from people I was trying to get to vote Timur while I was still around.

From what I've been able to figure out, you voted me then instead of Timur like I expected.

What made me look like a better target then, or is my information incorrect?

I was definitely the better target at that stage but i guess our alliance and alliance with mush sam kevin pulled through

If N wanted me out he would of voted me out then and there i think

[Chemist1422]

To sort of blanket cover all questions on mid-merge, here's what went down:

F11 - Jamez tells me and Javi he's trying to blindside N. I tell Tech about this and they say N knows. I tell Jamez that N knows and he panics and tries to switch the vote onto Sam. I can tell he's kinda blowing up his game here (sorry <3) and decide to cut him. After his elimination, Jamez tells me that N/Sam is an alliance trying to take me out. Note that this is AFTER MY ELIMINATION, so I assume he has no reason to lie and start working behind N's back with Tech/gabby/Javi.

F10/F9 - I win immunity and Javi wins exile. Tech tells me they have the situation under control, so I play hands-off for an elimination to avoid putting too big of a target on my back. Tech and dota get voted out, dota being according to plan, Tech not so much.

F8 - I'm not trusting N at this point, who's pushing for a timur vote. Instead of voting with him on timur, I talk to Mush and try to convince him to flip onto Sam. I figured that if N/Sam was a thing, cutting Sam will make me N's #1 ally again. It fails due to Mush lying.

Jamez and iirc Tech and gabby and maybe Javi can confirm what Jamez said after F11.

Sorry I know this isn't a direct answer to a question but it's one of the things that's one of the more obvious holes in my game at first glance, so I want to go into detail on exactly what happened.

[Technetium]

What exactly was playing hands-off meaning in F10/F9?

And I did think I had the situation under control, because I thought I could get the votes on Timur that I wanted, because I didn't know about N and Timur (as far as I can tell) having been working together at the time

[Chemist1422]

What exactly was playing hands-off meaning in F10/F9?

And I did think I had the situation under control, because I thought I could get the votes on Timur that I wanted, because I didn't know about N and Timur (as far as I can tell) having been working together at the time

Playing hands-off means not pushing people toward voting a specific direction in this context

[timurtheking]

Also N I believe claimed most the votes on me was his doing however it wasn’t many people who voted me, did it as i barely reached out to them or they saw me as a threat and their allies agreed/sheeped. Not just because N told them so, some wanted me out before that.

Also he had a bunch of important advantages and let them go to waste. Also He could have voted me out during the kevin/Timur tie. But him failing to eliminate me and letting me reach F3 was a hole in his game

[TimeToReap]

Big hype FTC

[timurtheking]

For tech from discord - me and Jamez did have an alliance and premerge worked closely alot as our tribe tried to stay together strong even shown in Javi’s elim. Me and Jamez didn’t flip. I think this alliance also saved my butt and helped me gather intel about if i was safe or not

[Chemist1422]

Remember how there was that alliance chat with all the champions and by F6 it was literally just everyone left in the game

That was really funny to me and I don't know why

[Technetium]

To all three of you:
Were you specifically trying to get rid of Contenders or did it just happen that way?

[Chemist1422]

To all three of you:
Were you specifically trying to get rid of Contenders or did it just happen that way?

Half of the contenders were trying to kill me

So yes on people like Shadow and transport, your elimination was more accidental, as I've been over

[npromin1]

Okay, I'm going to highlight some of the moves I make. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not it's really a move, but in my opinion these were some memorable moments of my game. I'm gonna start at Debil's elimination, since me and Timur basically did work together and co-shared responsibility of the moves.

- The Super Idol.

In the tribal where Mush idolled and Debil was ousted, I made a very subtle move. Y'all might not know this, but Jamez and Dota shared a secret super idol. I found this out, and I learned Dota was going to probably super idol Debil. The twist was, James and Dota BOTH had to agree. (A super idol means it could be played after the votes are read) Thus, I made a calculated risk and told Gabby to secretly vote for me and not tell anyone, that way it would be however many votes on Mush that didn't count, then 3 on Debil and 1 on me. James probably wouldn't have agreed to super idol Debil anyway. But hey. With 1 vote against me he could now use the argument of "If you super idol Debil, N is instantly eliminated, do you really want that?"

It's up to y'all to decide whether that move was a calculated risk or dumb or not.

- F10/F9.

Okay, so I don't remember what exactly happened here, but the vote ended up being 6 votes Dota, 5 votes Tech, 4 votes Gabby, 3 votes Timur.

Thus, I went to Timur's grand alliance of Timur/Mush/Sam and proposed a new voting strategy. As it stood, Gabby was going to get the most votes.

Yeah, I didn't want that to happen, because I wanted to take Gabby to F3. So I proposed that we split our secondary votes between Tech and Gabby, which led to Gabby staying in over Tech. No offense, Tech, but you were more of a threat than Gabby.

- F8

Sooooooo in the auction I won a secret double vote. Remember that one time when I told people I got cursed and lost my vote?

Yeeeeeah, I lied. I sacrificed my vote to have a chance to double vote later on. And so the plan was to 4-4 between Timur and whoever Timur's alliance was targetting, and then I toss in my double vote and make it 5-4. Exceeept Chem secretly switched his/Javi/Gabby's votes to Sam without telling me and Gabby ended up going home.

Complicated stuff aside, I learned that Chem thought TIMUR or someone double voted, that Mush voted Sam, and that me and Gabby voted Timur.

I told Timur's side that Gabby had a double vote and didn't tell Chem.

My move here is waiving responsibility of the double vote to both sides and telling them a different story, then having them believe me, at least to a certain point.

I would have been completely and entirely honest to Chem about me double voting... except he kinda trusted Mush for some reason, so to avoid him telling Mush I had to keep it a secret.

My survival shinigans in 8/7 was me talking with people like kevin javi etc
I would say the survvial by skin of teeth happened due to my game

So you're saying in F8 you convinced Chem/Javi/Gabby to split the vote on purpose? I'll give you F7 though, because I think Javi split his double vote between you and Kevin there.

N: A lot of those votes on Timur may have been from people I was trying to get to vote Timur while I was still around.

From what I've been able to figure out, you voted me then instead of Timur like I expected.

What made me look like a better target then, or is my information incorrect?

Ok so taking into consideration the F10/F9 stuff that I mentioned, I'm going to add on a little more. I suppose I could have betrayed Timur and keep you in. My main priority that tribal was to keep Gabby alive, hence why I originally told Dota to vote both you AND Timur. Getting you out was the easiest way to keep Gabby in the game, honestly, because Dota was dead-set on voting Gabby over Timur, and I knew Timur/Sam/Mush were all voting Gabby. So I voted you and Dota.

Again, I guess it theoretically would've been possible to get Timur out, by pulling Chem/Javi/Gabby/you/me to yield 5 votes against Timur instead of you, but honestly, I trusted Timur more than I trusted you at that point. Timur and I had an alliance since the very beginning of the game, and I knew that if I got out Timur I would probably still have to vote you out.

Also let's not forget, you kinda had an idol.

So

There's that.

Also N I believe claimed most the votes on me was his doing however it wasn’t many people who voted me, did it as i barely reached out to them or they saw me as a threat and their allies agreed/sheeped. Not just because N told them so, some wanted me out before that.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth please. I simply said you received way more votes than I did. In fact, I didn't tell Tech or anyone to gun for you, but I was relieved when they were gunning for you rather than me.

Also he had a bunch of important advantages and let them go to waste. Also He could have voted me out during the kevin/Timur tie. But him failing to eliminate me and letting me reach F3 was a hole in his game

At some point you need to stop and read what I've said instead of making up stuff. Yeah, I had a double vote and two idols. Wasn't my fault that the double vote went to waste because as far as I knew we were all voting you.

As for the idols. Yeah. They went to waste. There was noone for me to play them on, so maybe I shoulda just not played them at all idk. I coulda played it on Gabby F8 I guess, except I thought you were getting voted out, and at that point I only had one idol.

OP the votes against Kevin in the tie were unanimous. Mush convinced Chem/Javi to flip and vote out Kevin so I had no choice but to play along to keep their loyalty.



Now how about you answer some questions of mine, Timur.

Why/How did you let me get to F3?

Wouldn't letting me get to F3 be a hole in your game as well?

Shouldn't you have known better than to trust me when we got around to F8/F7/F6?

To all three of you:
Were you specifically trying to get rid of Contenders or did it just happen that way?

It happened that way.

When the fusion twist started, and Kevin knows this because I told him this, I had a vision for an F8 with a balanced amount of Contenders and Champions. I think it was Timur/Chem/N/James/Kevin/Dota/Gabby/someone else I didn't remember. The plans for that went to shit though. That vision died when I found out James wanted me out so I had to get him out.

But no, I actually trusted y'all. Dota was my lover and I trusted him, Kevin and James turned out to be loyal to me and Timur when they joined The Montagues, etc.

[timurtheking]

To all three of you:
Were you specifically trying to get rid of Contenders or did it just happen that way?

No it just flowed like that.

Certain contenders like shadow were big threats. Then in the late merge; i started just eliminating people who were allied with you/chem and most so happened to be contenders like Kevin was allied with Javi which indirectly lead to you.

I wanted you gone for imo being an underlying tbreat and the apparent idol multi gave you and never got back. That idol was scary floating about and i know you and chem had them ‘apparently’.

[npromin1]

To all three of you:
Were you specifically trying to get rid of Contenders or did it just happen that way?

Also iirc Multi made a mega alliance with all the Champions in the game, and at that point I voted for him to get him out.

[dota2reporter]

how did you know about the idol?

[npromin1]

By the way another thing about Dota's super idol thing which seems more like an illusion if anything at this point.

Timur, remember first tribal council in the merge where you wanted to vote out Dota?

Remember how I made up some shit about Tech idolling Dota so we ended up voting Trans instead?

That was me covering for Dota/James' super idol.

how did you know about the idol?

James told me :p That's one reason I know he was super loyal

[Chemist1422]

N if you had told me about the double vote I would have known Mush was lying and therefore wouldn't have told them so that's really on you not me

And N you were the one who convinced me to flip on Kevin, not Mush iirc

[dota2reporter]

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