Verdicts

[OuterRealm]

https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=1088916

Lets use the case against me. The town wanted me to out myself despite the fact that town was smaller than the enemy and if you read what I said I even said go ahead and hang me so we can lose meaning I was "town" I apologize that that the mentality of this game is that if you don't Random lynch or tell everyone what your role is somehow you are gamethrowing is the biggest joke I have ever seen. I can understand it being triggered but once reviewed the ban should have been overturned.

Unless someone can explain to me how by asking everyone for their role how that is not gamethrowing? That is a much better question I think?

[Shilster]

VFR is a tool, it's not gamethrowing

Not claiming on stand is gamethrowing, since it brings your chance of being lynched to 100%

The only exception is Jester

[OuterRealm]

But, there is no rule that states I have claim, only that I cant go against my role. Which I never did I played the trapper to the best of my ability for the short time I had.

Now had I stated that I was a role "not town" for instance coven and that forced my death that I would consider game throwing because the coven know who they are.

[Joacgroso]

Although a dev has said that it isn't gamethrowing, another dev, the one that is in charge of reports and trial sistem, says that it is a bannable offense. An ingame list of examples of gamethrowing would be a great addition, people would stop refusing to claim, spamming as jester, throwing in vamp games, etc.
There are lots of discussions about VFR, so instead of saying the same over and over again, I suggest you to read this thread about it: http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=79008.

[Flavorable]

It's common sense, really. You know they will lynch you if you don't claim. Which is going against your own role. It's really not that hard to understand.

The main problem is that the people who DON'T claim a role, don't do it out of ignorance of the rule, no.. They do it out of spite. "You wanna lynch me? Fine, then all of you will lose."

Use common sense, if you know something WON'T help, why would you wanna be a baby about it and do it anyway? Your role is not more important than anyone else's in the game, there's never a good reason for not claiming. The main problem is that just because someone gets VFR-ed, they take it as a personal attack and somehow lose any sense of team effort. Heck, even if they lynch you, at least that's one role the mafia can't claim.

[OuterRealm]

But, then they are just as guilty of gamethrowing from my perspective as me for not claiming because they hung a townie without being "SURE" this is why we have investigative roles. I mean I can see why most people would claim but it shouldn't be a ban just because I dont want the Coven/Mafia/SK/Vampires to know that I have or dont have a killing role

[Joacgroso]

Just a question: Is providing a will also obligatory if you are on the stand?

[Shilster]

Just a question: Is providing a will also obligatory if you are on the stand?

No, but it helps you stay alive. (Roles like Jailor and Veteran shouldn't reveal their will unless they need to)

[Joacgroso]

So if a townie refuses to give will on stand and is lynched due to that, he can't be reported for gamethrowing?

[Flavorable]

So if a townie refuses to give will on stand and is lynched due to that, he can't be reported for gamethrowing?

A better question would be, why would a townie not want to give a will to begin with?

If it helps your chances of survival, I don't (personally) see the point of not posting a will.

The rule is: You need a decent defense. If you're fairly sure the rest of the people in the game -will- lynch you if you don't provide a will that fits your role, then yeah, personally, I'd classify it as gamethrowing, since in that case, a townie is purposefully not defending themselves, even though they know they will get voted guilty, because they don't want to post a will.

[dyaomaster]

6vs3? That doesn't look like "town is outnumbered" to me.