Allow reports for every violation.

[RedHeadStepChild]

There are a few suggestions here.

Suggestion #1: allow all reports on the forums once more

As I stated before, I understand the logic behind the change to making reports on the forums. However, after reading reports after the change, it seems that there are more cheating/gamethrowing reports than HS/H ones.

In another post, someone mentioned that gamethrowing/cheating can be just as bad, if not more toxic to people actually wanting to play the game. And then when people get called out for cheating by sharing info out of game they make the excuse oh im just having fun with my friends, or get all hostile, or whatever the reason.

Then when this occurs, no one really reports because they feel nothing will get done about it anyway, so they just ignore it. I have seen so many people say,"Reporting Does Nothing Anyway" so they just ignore it all. Or it comes back with "No reports in the system" which truthfully is very frustrating.

insert suggestion #2: Make it so all reports generate regardless of the violation. Why? Because a lot are guilty of more than one violation. How many reports go unpunished because of "player was suspended for another report?" I know this particular feature is highly exploited.
Now I have seen where someone is guilty of gamethrowing and cheating and one person reports for cheating, the other for gamethrowing and comes back with "No reports found" and only after someone looks into it they see where they were reported under different things. Then deals with it accordingly.

Insert Suggestion #3: Get rid of this "player was suspended for another report" nonsense and punish for every violation. If someone is suspended for a report and another report is added and is obviously guilty for that second report, punish them for it. Tack it onto the report(s) they already have.
If someone is guilty of more than one violation in the same game or in games back to back, and lets be honest, some are, bring down the hammer. Plus how many times have you mods/judges notice this reading chat logs? I know I see it quite a bit using the juror system.

[Flavorable]

How about we just preemptively ban every player ever? Just in case.

And yes, that was sarcasm to show that by now you should know that the strictness you are looking for won't be found here, because we've had this conversation, multiple times.

[MysticMismagius]

There's three types of bad rule systems: Ones where the rules are too lenient, ones where the rules are draconian, and ones where the rules fluctuate between the two. You can't fix one by turning it into one of the other two.

If you do that, you're just exchanging bullshit for horseshit without addressing the fact that it's still shit.

[Brilliand]

Suggestion #2 is good. I'm astonished that people can (unreliably) avoid getting reported by just breaking too many rules.

Anyone who gets reported twice in one game should have a report generated, even if the reports are for two different reasons. (The reason listed on the report can be whichever, the trial jurors will sort it out with the "duplicate report" button.)

[RedHeadStepChild]

Suggestion #2 is good. I'm astonished that people can (unreliably) avoid getting reported by just breaking too many rules.

Anyone who gets reported twice in one game should have a report generated, even if the reports are for two different reasons. (The reason listed on the report can be whichever, the trial jurors will sort it out with the "duplicate report" button.)

This is already a thing.

If someone is reported by 2 different people for 2 different reasons, a report will generate for one of those reasons. Jurors are expected to go through every report when they receive it and not just check for the validity of the report under the reason listed, but for any other rule breaks. If there are other rule breaks (preferably ones more severe than the original report), they are expected to dupe for said reason. If a report is incorrectly filed under one reason, but guilty for another, they dupe it over for the right reason and inno the original report.

I cannot tell you how many times I've come across a report filed under "Inappropriate Username" (Where the town name in question was completely innocent) when the written details suggest it should be a Gamethrowing report that was misfiled by one of the 2 reportees.

As for the other 2 suggestions. No. The forums aren't meant to be used for witch hunting, and it's just easier on the judges to only take care of the most severe of rule breaks through the forums. And punishing someone for having 4 open reports that are all guilty by instantly banning them is too strict and would quickly kill the game. The 4 strike system is meant to give people warnings to stop their behavior, not instantly ban someone for being a noob or having a fuck up here and there. Yeah you have idiots who are constantly breaking the rules left and right, but Trial will get them. There is absolutely no need to turn this into a severely strict situation. No one wants this. NO ONE.

Here are the following reasons why #2 is NOT a thing, because
1. Jurors are uncontrollable liabilities, a majority of them DO NOT read the entire report, they only skim through it and only focus on the single report, given if the bloody report even generated to begin with. Again Proof of the matter is how many are so wrongly judged incorrectly? So when you say "Jurors are expected", only a very small percentage actually do.
2. The whole duplicate report half the time does not even matter. Why? Because of "This report was already deemed innocent" then the rating drops quite a few points. How many people have lost their juror abilities because things they find things that break the rules then they get slapped with that lovely message?

Its not witch hunting if you find people that break the rules and then report said issue. Every bloody day I play, there is at least 3 games, that involve people cheating on discord, teamspeak, or sitting next to each other. If you dont believe me go sit in on at least 5 games in draculas palace between 9:30 pm and 2:00 am EST. You will see exactly what I am talking about.
As far as having 4 guilty reports in the same game then instantly ban, you seem to forget all they have to do is pay another $5 and do it all over again. And yes this keeps happening, thats the real reason why nothing gets done, too many people in high places are lining their pockets. It has nothing to do with being strict, its about how much $$$ can be stuffed into their pockets.
I mean seriously, ive seen several new account names to the tune of "Myothera countwasbanned" or something similar. Why would you need to give 3 separate warnings when its noted on the rules and regulations that people check the box when making an account? I have seen so many times people guilty of inappropriate username, gamethrowing, racial hatespeech, and spamming in the same game, and they only get punished for the spamming when the racial hatespeech is a bannable offense.


So no it would not kill the game, it would only kill peoples bank accounts. People are leaving because the level of toxicity is getting too bad, there is no new content, and no system updates, nothing because all the focus is going into unity. Thats what killing the game, not being too strict, there are players out there like me who actually give a damn. They just dont say anything because everything they say is going to fall on deaf ears.
I very much enjoy this game, I really do, and I refuse to let some young dumbasses ruin it for not only myself but for everyone else that enjoys it as well. My posts are not just for me, theyre for EVERYONE. You dont have to like it or agree with it, I am fine with it, makes for a great debate.

But I will say this, why not make everyone's job easier and throw all the rules out the window and put in big red letters on the Log in screen Play At Your Own Risk!
Here at BMG, we are not responsible for the content other players bring into the game ....see Flavorable...I can be sarcastic too.

[MysticMismagius]

But I will say this, why not make everyone's job easier and throw all the rules out the window and put in big red letters on the Log in screen Play At Your Own Risk!
Here at BMG, we are not responsible for the content other players bring into the game ....see Flavorable...I can be sarcastic too.

But then we get back to the whole extremes thing I mentioned in my reply. You clearly seem to think that BMG's rules are too lenient. That's a fair position to hold. However, your suggestions, if implemented, would make the rules draconian. they'd be WAY too strict, to the point where the average player could easily get perma-banned after a few bad days. This is just as bad as, if not worse than, the current system. All your suggestions would do is exchange one set of problems for another set of problems. The state of Trial would be different, but no better.

TL;DR: Dial it back.

[RedHeadStepChild]

My point is this..think of it this way, the toxicity is a growing and spreading like a wild fire, you cant put it out with a fire extinguisher, you have to use a number of different things to help fight it. I.e. water dropped by aircraft, CO2 spread by crop dusters, fire breaks dug in the ground ahead of the fire, until eventually you start a controlled fire ahead of the main blaze so it no longer spreads. As someone who helped fight the wildfires in southern California in 2003, all these techniques, and more were used to fight it.
Yes this was a metaphor, but its an accurate one. ToS is being smothered by toxicity, everyone sees it, but those with the power to actually do something are too scared shitless to do anything about it because they dont want to lose the cash flow or they think theyll lose players, NEWS FLASH, its already happening for the reasons listed above!

If people get easily banned then they need to read the rules more clearly. Its THAT simple. Dont wanna do the time, dont do the crime.

[MysticMismagius]

This ain't the way to do it, chief. Your suggested rules are so strict they'd cause more problems than they would solve.

[RedHeadStepChild]

Than lets hear some of your ideas then. Since I seem to be the only one throwing ideas or suggestions out there, and everyone else saying NO! Without throwing your own ideas out there, lets here what you have to say then.

[Brilliand]

My point is this..think of it this way, the toxicity is a growing and spreading like a wild fire, you cant put it out with a fire extinguisher, you have to use a number of different things to help fight it. I.e. water dropped by aircraft, CO2 spread by crop dusters, fire breaks dug in the ground ahead of the fire, until eventually you start a controlled fire ahead of the main blaze so it no longer spreads. As someone who helped fight the wildfires in southern California in 2003, all these techniques, and more were used to fight it.

This isn't a single wildfire that we need to "stop" to save everything else. This is a trend of small fires cropping up repeatedly. It needs preventative measures, not a drastic project of destroying everything flammable.

Than lets hear some of your ideas then. Since I seem to be the only one throwing ideas or suggestions out there, and everyone else saying NO! Without throwing your own ideas out there, lets here what you have to say then.

Personally, I think we need the devs to do some restructuring in the game to reduce how much the game frustrates the players, and to prevent the toxicity from reaching critical mass. Or heck, if the devs find time to make just about any improvements to the game, that would at least tend to distract people from being toxic.

Yes, yes, the Unity port comes first. We can wait - the problem isn't actually getting worse.

[RedHeadStepChild]

The people who are causing the problems are the ones saying its too strict because they and the people they are grouping with cant choose racist names create racist or sexual themes or things like that.because its a meme or rhey think its cool or whatever. Hey lets do a gay theme, an abuse theme, a rape theme a racial slur theme.
And you're right, jurors will not catch everything, neither do judges or moderators. No one is perfect. I sure am not.
And trust me when I say there are some of you mods and judges who do try your best, and you have my highest respects believe it or not. All I am saying is because as you pointed out, you do not have enough personnel, you have to compensate for that by increasing the level of enforcement. Otherwise youre going to get walked all over. Remember the movie Kindergarten Cop? Better example than a wildfire.
And regardless how serious the offense is, people are going to break the rules out of spite, why? Because of these reasons:
1. they can
2. They believe the rules dont apply to them
3. ToS mods dont do anything anyway
4. Oh go ahead and ban me, I have other accounts or ill just make a new one
5. Theyll claim that they were hacked or a friend or relative got in their account
6. Just to test to see how much they can get away with it.
7. Oh Im just having fun, making a joke or meme. (Side note: WTF is this meme shit anyway?)
8. Their other account was banned so they came back to be a troll
9. And these young jackasses are hateful by nature
10. Their lives are so bad and depressing they want to bring others down with them
11. They get off on pissing people off.
12. Other people get away with it so Im going to as well
13. I dont care if i offend someone. its freedom of speech
14. Apparently cyber-bullying is a meme.

And the list goes on. You think the message is going go get out dont play because youll get banned for anything? The message is already out that you can do anything, say anything and ToS wont do anything to you. And if you think that it is not as bad as I make it out to be, then you need to take a better look.
But I digress. Let me sum my suggestions up

#1. Go back to pre-June 15 = meaning making reports in the forum more than just MAJOR offenses, why? Not enough judges/jurors. which btw several minor offenses turn into a MAJOR problem.

#2. If people are guilty of more than one offense in the same report, bloody ban them! Why because they aggreed to the terms and conditions to follow and abide by the rules yet because of the reasons listed above, they break them intentionally. The "I did not know" defense is a bunch of BS. So is being as noob or a fuck up. If they read the rules and follow them, then being a fuck up goes out the window now doesnt it?

#3. Goes hand in hand with #2.

I think 4 chances is far too much, Id make it a 3 step process

Step one. When making a new account they click on agree to terms of service and agree to abide by rules and regulations.

Step two. Minor offense, 72 hour suspension with rereading reclicking on terms of service, rules and regulations.
Major offense or more than 1 intentional minor offense in the same report: Ban

Step three. Ban regardless of offense. They were warned, they agreed to the terms of service, rules and regulations, they chose not to follow them.


You seem to think that you have to be everyones friend being a mod or judge so more people will come and play. You do not. You are a supervisor and enforcer. If you are doing your job as a supervisor/enforcer you WILL piss people off. Its the nature of the beast. You may not understand that concept yet because that is something you have to learn with Experience.

[MysticMismagius]

Than lets hear some of your ideas then. Since I seem to be the only one throwing ideas or suggestions out there, and everyone else saying NO! Without throwing your own ideas out there, lets here what you have to say then.

*deep breath*
-Return to older rulebooks where more grey cases of rule breaking can be punished (Especially the Syanna rule)
-More juror/judge freedom in general in interpreting the rules
-Implement a longer time penalty for leaving while alive outside of Ranked
-Some sort of reward for jurors, so that more people do it (and thus more people get punished as less reports slip through the cracks)
-Update the in-game rules screen with each Trial rulebook update, so everyone is on the same page as to what the rules are
-Make posting links its own category rather than HS/H, because that’s dumb as hell and muddies what “hate speech and harassment” means

The people who are causing the problems are the ones saying its too strict

Be careful who you’re talking about before you make generalizations. Your rules are too strict for everyone, not just people who already break the lenient rules that currently exist.

[Jerme]

The current rules are stricter on one side, and more lenient on an other one.
For the list you did because of the offenses. Sure, mods and jusdges don't do anything, if closing more than 500 reports a day is nothing, or taking care of the forum, etc.
Keep in mind that your thought rulebreak is of a personal matter and might be quite different when seen by a third person from a distance. Especially if the given "rulebreak" isn't really one.
The hacked claim is getting validated, and until then the account stays banned, each other claims are not a reason for an unban.
Aside from that, once a player was suspended for an offense, the suspension starts, due to the tier system. This is fine as it is, adding mroe reports to the pile could lead to a permaban, when one isn't warranted.
The rulechange on the report players board is NOT because of the lakc of mods/judges, its simply because those threads are not warranted, those reports are getting dealt with via trial system anyway (if they are valid) and do nto need a special acceleration.

[RedHeadStepChild]

Than lets hear some of your ideas then. Since I seem to be the only one throwing ideas or suggestions out there, and everyone else saying NO! Without throwing your own ideas out there, lets here what you have to say then.

*deep breath*
-Return to older rulebooks where more grey cases of rule breaking can be punished (Especially the Syanna rule)
-More juror/judge freedom in general in interpreting the rules
-Implement a longer time penalty for leaving while alive outside of Ranked
-Some sort of reward for jurors, so that more people do it (and thus more people get punished as less reports slip through the cracks)
-Update the in-game rules screen with each Trial rulebook update, so everyone is on the same page as to what the rules are
-Make posting links its own category rather than HS/H, because that’s dumb as hell and muddies what “hate speech and harassment” means

The people who are causing the problems are the ones saying its too strict

Be careful who you’re talking about before you make generalizations. Your rules are too strict for everyone, not just people who already break the lenient rules that currently exist.

Hell Yes Mystic. I like this! Thank you much for posting. You Rock!
I really like the last 2 marks.
The only one that gives me pause is rules being up to interpretation. This causes too big of a margin for error, because 1 judge could say yes its gamethrowing or its offensive whereas another could say no i dont find it offensive or i dont see it as gamethrowing. If the mods all get together and set a standard and everyone follows that standard then there is no reason for interpretation.

As far as being too strict...we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Simple as that. You can say no one wants this all you want. But it seems the only ones responding to ANY of my posts are mods/judges.

Oh look is Jerme, hey man is that wool blanket big enough?

Its not my thoughts of what constitutes a rule break, i am going off of the current set of rules that mods/devs create. Reports that have been filed things like that. And obviously you seem to misunderstand, I am more than willing to bet you just skimmed through my posts without actually reading them.
The reasons why I listed people dont follow the rules are reason Ive seen being written in lobby chat, game chat. other reports etc. I have even posted screenshots of most of then! But hey I get it, you could care less what I or anyone else says. You do not like me. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

But go ahead and lock this thread I know you want to Jerme. Make everyone happy

[MysticMismagius]

Hell Yes Mystic. I like this! Thank you much for posting. You Rock!
I really like the last 2 marks.
The only one that gives me pause is rules being up to interpretation. This causes too big of a margin for error, because 1 judge could say yes its gamethrowing or its offensive whereas another could say no i dont find it offensive or i dont see it as gamethrowing. If the mods all get together and set a standard and everyone follows that standard then there is no reason for interpretation.

As far as being too strict...we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Simple as that. You can say no one wants this all you want. But it seems the only ones responding to ANY of my posts are mods/judges.

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It's not my thoughts of what constitutes a rule break, i am going off of the current set of rules that mods/devs create.

That happens anyways. Every time there's a rulebook update, there's a whole big fuss about it because some people like the changes, some people think they're bullshit, and some people don't care, with every single change. What I want with that point is for people to be able to vote the way they think is right by the spirit of the law without being weighed down by its letter.

True, there is no universal standard for too strict or lenient. I just feel like your suggestions push the Trial System from one extreme to another, and I've seen the results of people trying to fix their problems that way. It's very ugly. On that last point, neither KatiyaKramer nor myself are mods/judges.

Are you using the rules that are displayed in game, or the lastest (Pay to Play) Trial System rulebook? Remember that those are very different from each other, so if you use the wrong rules, they might not be accurate.

[RedHeadStepChild]

Hell Yes Mystic. I like this! Thank you much for posting. You Rock!
I really like the last 2 marks.
The only one that gives me pause is rules being up to interpretation. This causes too big of a margin for error, because 1 judge could say yes its gamethrowing or its offensive whereas another could say no i dont find it offensive or i dont see it as gamethrowing. If the mods all get together and set a standard and everyone follows that standard then there is no reason for interpretation.

As far as being too strict...we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Simple as that. You can say no one wants this all you want. But it seems the only ones responding to ANY of my posts are mods/judges.

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It's not my thoughts of what constitutes a rule break, i am going off of the current set of rules that mods/devs create.

That happens anyways. Every time there's a rulebook update, there's a whole big fuss about it because some people like the changes, some people think they're bullshit, and some people don't care, with every single change. What I want with that point is for people to be able to vote the way they think is right by the spirit of the law without being weighed down by its letter.

True, there is no universal standard for too strict or lenient. I just feel like your suggestions push the Trial System from one extreme to another, and I've seen the results of people trying to fix their problems that way. It's very ugly. On that last point, neither KatiyaKramer nor myself are mods/judges.

Are you using the rules that are displayed in game, or the lastest (Pay to Play) Trial System rulebook? Remember that those are very different from each other, so if you use the wrong rules, they might not be accurate.

Exactly, you are correct it does happen. Hence one reason why we have the problems we are having now.
You know how frustrating it is to see one judge handle a report for gamethrowing then suspend the person, then another judge handle another report of the exact kind of gamethrowing only for them to say"this does not Warrant a suspension"?
And of course people are going to fuss because theyre not allowed to get away with murder anymore. Hence why I said earlier, if you are in a supervisory or enforcement position, you are going to piss people off. Its called doing your job.

Alas, you make some good ideas there Mystic. Keep ut up. I salute you.



Im using the latest set of rules to include those on the trial system juror page.

[MysticMismagius]

Hell Yes Mystic. I like this! Thank you much for posting. You Rock!
I really like the last 2 marks.
The only one that gives me pause is rules being up to interpretation. This causes too big of a margin for error, because 1 judge could say yes its gamethrowing or its offensive whereas another could say no i dont find it offensive or i dont see it as gamethrowing. If the mods all get together and set a standard and everyone follows that standard then there is no reason for interpretation.

As far as being too strict...we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Simple as that. You can say no one wants this all you want. But it seems the only ones responding to ANY of my posts are mods/judges.

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It's not my thoughts of what constitutes a rule break, i am going off of the current set of rules that mods/devs create.

That happens anyways. Every time there's a rulebook update, there's a whole big fuss about it because some people like the changes, some people think they're bullshit, and some people don't care, with every single change. What I want with that point is for people to be able to vote the way they think is right by the spirit of the law without being weighed down by its letter.

True, there is no universal standard for too strict or lenient. I just feel like your suggestions push the Trial System from one extreme to another, and I've seen the results of people trying to fix their problems that way. It's very ugly. On that last point, neither KatiyaKramer nor myself are mods/judges.

Are you using the rules that are displayed in game, or the lastest (Pay to Play) Trial System rulebook? Remember that those are very different from each other, so if you use the wrong rules, they might not be accurate.

Exactly, you are correct it does happen. Hence one reason why we have the problems we are having now.
You know how frustrating it is to see one judge handle a report for gamethrowing then suspend the person, then another judge handle another report of the exact kind of gamethrowing only for them to say "this does not Warrant a suspension"? It's less frustrating than what we've currently got. I've seen so many reports that I wanted to guilty so bad, but they would be inno by the book. If even half of them got guiltied that would be an improvement.
And of course people are going to fuss because they're not allowed to get away with murder anymore. But murder is what makes town of salem what it is ;D Hence why I said earlier, if you are in a supervisory or enforcement position, you are going to piss people off. Its called doing your job. I was talking mainly about fuss within the juror community but that's my bad for not being clear.

Alas, you make some good ideas there Mystic. Keep it up. I salute you. Thanks.

I'm using the latest set of rules to include those on the trial system juror page. Give that a reread. You'll find that half the things you think are against the rules, especially with GT and Cheating, actually aren't anymore, or can't be effectively punished.

[RedHeadStepChild]

You are quite welcome.

And yes ill give it a gander. I wanted to anyway, i was confused on something.

Murder is what makes ToS what it is eh? Lol cute

Jurors are enforcers. How many people were pissed off for being voted guilty on "just making a joke"?

[Jerme]

Quite a few were unsettled for getting suspended or banned for "just making a joke", which either are inside jokes, so nobody but them understand them, or secondly. or secondly aren't really jokes to the rules. You can find a few examples for that on the appeals board, as well as example for other of the excuses you brought up, and then you can compare, which of them were deemed valid and which not.

also your "request" to lock this thread might break Forum rule 12.

[RedHeadStepChild]

Quite a few were unsettled for getting suspended or banned for "just making a joke", which either are inside jokes, so nobody but them understand them, or secondly. or secondly aren't really jokes to the rules. You can find a few examples for that on the appeals board, as well as example for other of the excuses you brought up, and then you can compare, which of them were deemed valid and which not.

also your "request" to lock this thread might break Forum rule 12.

I am well aware of what examples are out there on the appeals forum Jerme, that is where I get a lot of my facts from, that and watching what people talk about in the game itself. Contrary to popular belief, I am not as ignorant as some seem to think.

If you want an interesting read, you should look up ToS videos on youtube and read the comments, particularly the videos of those people who were suspended or banned, its quite amusing.

And as far as excuses go, the things I listed are not excuses, they are the reasons why people break the rules. You can try to downplay it all you want, or try to make it seem its not as bad as it is, when looking at the report players forum, appeals, closed reports, and feedback, suggestions forums and the countless reports that are generated every day all speak to the contrary.

Plus not to mention, you mentioned before that there are not really any bugs with the system, then why May I ask did you overturn someone who was banned with no reports against them? Id say that right there would constitute a serious bug in the system now wouldnt it?
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=100848 referenced here
This is not the first instance of this, nor will it be the last. And also I am not even going to mention the bug that several mods say there is about the wrong reason why people are being banned/suspended.

The reason why I "requested " you to lock this post, because you and other forum mods have repeatedly locked posts ive started, so I figure hey go ahead and lock this one too. Which truthfully I am quite suprised you havent yet.

[Brilliand]

And also I am not even going to mention the bug that several mods say there is about the wrong reason why people are being banned/suspended.

A little off-topic, but it weirds me out when someone mentions that they're not mentioning something.

[Jerme]

There is indeed a slight issue with the System that the judges are aware of (and TurdPile cannot change, so it seems). Those are rare thing that comes up.
We do try to avoid it as much as we can, yet we're not machines and thus could forget something.

Thank you for your recommendation, but I believe I do have my priorities elsewhere

I do know that sone people underestimate the enforcement of the rules, but this is nothing that I can change about, as its what they have to learn by themselves. The only "excuse" that I see is the third person using the account, as the most of the times I've seen this stated, was the owner themselves the culprit, who attempts to push the blame in order to get unbanned. Thus I do have a slight doubt in the "[racist] relative/friend"-claim.

I do lock posts if they go into the direction of breaking the forum rules, unless its in appeals, then its mostly because the appeal is denied.

[Jerme]

I believe the quote of Flavorable was a sarcastic reply to the OPs thread.

[RedHeadStepChild]

I believe the quote of Flavorable was a sarcastic reply to the OPs thread.

My response was equally sarcastic in response to Flavorable's sarcasm combined with a strong desire to gauge the OP's response.

Oh Hagg1s, how I've missed you deary.....you know there is something I've been wating to tell you. Firstly as a Scot myself, haggis is delicious! Puts hair on your chest. So I like the name, 2ndly, do not throw stones in a glass house.

[RedHeadStepChild]

Plus not to mention, you mentioned before that there are not really any bugs with the system, then why May I ask did you overturn someone who was banned with no reports against them? Id say that right there would constitute a serious bug in the system now wouldnt it?
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=100848 referenced here
This is not the first instance of this, nor will it be the last. And also I am not even going to mention the bug that several mods say there is about the wrong reason why people are being banned/suspended.

Firstly, that has not been overturned yet. Jerme stated in that appeal that the ban in question would be under investigation.

As far as I'm aware, if someone is banned with no reports, it could mean that a Dev was involved in that banning, but as I said, the latest that came out of that appeal thread was that it was under investigation, and not overturned yet.

Secondly, the wrong reason thing is when users who are banned and suspended log in and are given a reason as to why they were banned/suspended, when it reality it was for another reason. Like a user logs in and sees they were suspended for HS/H, but the guilty report was for spam. This is an issue the Devs need to fix when they get a chance, and it's not the fault of the judges/Gmods/admins.

I do understand what you are saying Katiya, and I am also very much aware that Judges/Gmods/admins all stick up for each other regardless of the issue.
However, with that being said, I never stated it was the fault of the judges/Gmods/admins...I merely stated that in response to Jerme's comment "that there are no bugs with the system". Keep in mind that bugs in the system are not just limited to programming or software issues, it also includes people running it. It doesn't matter whos fault it is really, the point is, there are bugs in the system. I just bloody hope the Devs take time to actually fix the problems instead of putting everything toward unity, when flash support will not end for another 7 months.