TOWN OF SALEM IS BROKEN, ITS ALL THE HOST'S FAULT

[TheCryptik]

i see that a new fad in matchmaking is to add a specific jailor
but this breaks the game, and i'll tell you why.
if the match you are making is all random town and a jailor then you already broke the game. the reason you are adding random town on the first place is to keep the game different and fresh with every play. but as soon as you start adding specific roles that you allegedly NEED, then you might as well add specific other town like lookout or escort. but then at that point you might as well play a classic match.
i like the random town roles because then its a mystery to everybody the roles are a mystery i don't need to know that there is a jailor, same way as you don't need to know there is a spy. because then it becomes a useless role. you don't NEED jailor. thats what I'm trying to say.
another reason is plenty of people say "town is screwed without jailor."
so then why are you important? is your role not as crucial to the town as jailor? nobody cares if you die as long as you're not the jailor. right?
this breaks the game. there is no skill in town if you rely on this one role to win you the game. then there is no point in playing. you become a follower to this religion that jailor is the god of town. and you can only win if there is a jailor. but thats not the case. you are supposed to use your role and other roles to whiddle down the suspects and find them guilty.
in any cases I've seen a jailor that is a burden to town, who kills other town because they didn't find them trustworthy or too suspicious. and that would be fine if i didn't bring it upon town myself. but by saying "there NEEDS to be jailor" in a match making game, then you are passively killing the town members. but if i didn't know there was a jailor and there just randomly happened to be that role in town then thats fine.

sigh, all I'm trying to say is don't put specific jailor, we don't need one and town isn't screwed without one. if town loses and you didn't have a jailor. then town just didn't try hard enough and use their roles wisely. i just find my reasons hard to put into words, but maybe with what i have explained is that specific jailor breaks the game

don't get me wrong i love the jailor role. but there doesn't need to be one in every game

i hope you take what i say into consideration next time you host a match, you probably won't even read this.
but realize that as soon as you ad a specific jailor you broke the game

[stellaluna]

So where exactly is the part where specific jailors break the game because I don't see it.

[n0valite]

I've always put a Jailor so maybe I started this fad ._.? But yes, I've noticed many hosts putting in jailors now. I have no problem with it though. Not much we can do to argue not to put one in except maybe adding a mafioso so Mafia won't be caught when a Godfather is jailed.

[Aqua]

I always put jailor along with vet and medium, this is just my personal preference.

[chitownmvp01]

There is nothing wrong with putting jailor as specific and randoms for the rest.

[TenNoOkami]

Hosts also always put a Godfather and usually SK as specific as well, town also deserves a powerful confirmed role in their side.
If you think a specific assigned jailor is breaking the game, then an specific anything is also doing it so never specify a Godfather for exemple either. And also add just ONE Neutral(Killing) and never specify if its an Arson or an SK. The role list would look something like:
Town(Investigative)
Town(Investigative)
Town(Protective)
Town(Protective)
Town(Killing)
Town(Killing)
Town(Support)
Town(Support)
Neutral(Killing)
Mafia(Random)
Mafia(Support)
Mafia(Deception)
Neutral(Benign)
Neutral(Evil)
Any

At which point people will start screaming 'Repick! this host didn't even put a SK or Godfather!'
My humble opinion is...if you don't like the role selection...just leave, when you're the host make your favorite selection and pray that people don't call you 'stupid host!' or start chanting 'quick repick!' and believe me, it'll get even worse if you set all 8~9 townies to Town(Random).

Its true that town doesn't need a Jailor to win and sometimes this role given to a bad player can be more a problem then a good thing to town. Indeed i've managed to win games as Town without a Jailor present, once as a Transporter i got a troll Jailor killed quickly, and we won thanks to that, i also did that as a Vigil(killing myself and the Jailor who was trolling and the rest of town got the W).
But i really don't see how a specificly assigned Jailor 'breaks the game'..i personally have fun with games with the specified Jailors...even when they get killed in night one without leaving even a Last Will, or when i'm the Jailor and i get killed and cleaned on night one(i have the habbit of staying till the end of games unless there's no chances of victory at all).

Anyways these are just my 2 cents or a dollar on the subject...i do like balanced settings a lot and i really hate 'All Any' games, when i encounter something i don't like, i just leave, eventually i do find a setting i'm happy with, and that's how i enjoy the game ^.^

[Kaseda]

The thing is, in ToS custom games, the town often times faces 3 mafia, 1 or 2 neutral killing, and sometimes a neutral evil and/or benign. Because of this, only half of the game is town. However, all other roles are generally more powerful than town roles, such as the ability to completely change an investigators results, or the ability to kill without consequences. So, the host adds a powerful town role to create equilibrium. Even with jailor, it's common for town to lose, but common for it to win as well.

[TheCryptik]

Hosts also always put a Godfather and usually SK as specific as well, town also deserves a powerful confirmed role in their side.
If you think a specific assigned jailor is breaking the game, then an specific anything is also doing it so never specify a Godfather for exemple either. And also add just ONE Neutral(Killing) and never specify if its an Arson or an SK. The role list would look something like:
Town(Investigative)
Town(Investigative)
Town(Protective)
Town(Protective)
Town(Killing)
Town(Killing)
Town(Support)
Town(Support)
Neutral(Killing)
Mafia(Random)
Mafia(Support)
Mafia(Deception)
Neutral(Benign)
Neutral(Evil)
Any

At which point people will start screaming 'Repick! this host didn't even put a SK or Godfather!'
My humble opinion is...if you don't like the role selection...just leave, when you're the host make your favorite selection and pray that people don't call you 'stupid host!' or start chanting 'quick repick!' and believe me, it'll get even worse if you set all 8~9 townies to Town(Random).

Its true that town doesn't need a Jailor to win and sometimes this role given to a bad player can be more a problem then a good thing to town. Indeed i've managed to win games as Town without a Jailor present, once as a Transporter i got a troll Jailor killed quickly, and we won thanks to that, i also did that as a Vigil(killing myself and the Jailor who was trolling and the rest of town got the W).
But i really don't see how a specificly assigned Jailor 'breaks the game'..i personally have fun with games with the specified Jailors...even when they get killed in night one without leaving even a Last Will, or when i'm the Jailor and i get killed and cleaned on night one(i have the habbit of staying till the end of games unless there's no chances of victory at all).

Anyways these are just my 2 cents or a dollar on the subject...i do like balanced settings a lot and i really hate 'All Any' games, when i encounter something i don't like, i just leave, eventually i do find a setting i'm happy with, and that's how i enjoy the game ^.^

you have to put specific godfather it won't let you start a game without it, but i host games like that all the time and nobody screams

[TheCryptik]

also something a little off topic, but still kinda related to jailors; heres how the game for me went.
i made a comment early in the first day about hating anime, and of course the jailor was a HUGE anime fan, so he jailed me and this is how the conversation went
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Jailor: So, i heard you hate anime, huh?
me:yup
Jailor:well...Ok then
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that was the entire night.
the next morning i told the town about it and apparently the jailor took it as me making fun of him
flash forward to the next morning someone gets executed by the jailor the DN says
"don't like anime? then die!"
and i say, "jailor, you didn't kill me when i was jailed"
and of course that night i get jailed and he executes me, for being an asshole....
worst jailor ever

[Kaseda]

In that case, hate the player, not the role.

[Kaboosh]

also something a little off topic, but still kinda related to jailors; heres how the game for me went.
i made a comment early in the first day about hating anime, and of course the jailor was a HUGE anime fan, so he jailed me and this is how the conversation went
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Jailor: So, i heard you hate anime, huh?
me:yup
Jailor:well...Ok then
----------------------------------------------------
that was the entire night.
the next morning i told the town about it and apparently the jailor took it as me making fun of him
flash forward to the next morning someone gets executed by the jailor the DN says
"don't like anime? then die!"
and i say, "jailor, you didn't kill me when i was jailed"
and of course that night i get jailed and he executes me, for being an asshole....
worst jailor ever

That's a terrible jailor, the host didn't know somebody like him/her would be assigned with that authority.

[l33tm4st3r]

The only time I hate specific roles in custom is when the host makes almost everything specific. If you want that play classic

[Doobledore]

It's not game breaking if there's only a few specific roles. I mean, I always add a jailor. It's the strongest town role, and if there's going to be 3 mafia, a serial killer and another evil role, a Jailor is a hero the town needs.

The only thing that is dumb to add specifically is Spy and Disguiser. Why? Because Mafia knows there's a spy, so they won't talk. Town knows there's a disguiser. So they will put names in their wills.

[EVEILMINION]

Jailor is Kinda needed when you have 2 or more, evil factions that are night immune killing the town.

Other then jailor a vet is the only one that can kill someone that is night immune and they are just as likely to kill town as an evil person. Even if the mafia tries to attack the vet you usually lose the mafioso first and at that point, They know who the vet it.

Town needs that kind of power role in a game that " You can't trust anyone" if not a Jailor then Mayor should be more common.

[chitownmvp01]

Town of Salem is not broken! Let the host try what he wants once in a while, even if it's crazy or not. Give the host a chance! But you have the right to vote to repick the host if you don't like the list.

[RiceAndBeans]

also something a little off topic, but still kinda related to jailors; heres how the game for me went.
i made a comment early in the first day about hating anime, and of course the jailor was a HUGE anime fan, so he jailed me and this is how the conversation went
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Jailor: So, i heard you hate anime, huh?
me:yup
Jailor:well...Ok then
----------------------------------------------------
that was the entire night.
the next morning i told the town about it and apparently the jailor took it as me making fun of him
flash forward to the next morning someone gets executed by the jailor the DN says
"don't like anime? then die!"
and i say, "jailor, you didn't kill me when i was jailed"
and of course that night i get jailed and he executes me, for being an asshole....
worst jailor ever

Is it weird that I think I was in that game. I wasn't that jailor, but I remember we had something like that in the beginning. Were you actually evil? Because our "victim" was actually evil. IDK


Anyway....on topic. Honestly, it's just making sure that 1 of the town killings is jailor. Jailor is a powerful town role. It's not uber amazing, but it's a good one. They want to make sure that a jailor is in. This doesn't beak the game. It's just an increasing trend.