Rework/remove the boring roles no one likes

[desethora]

I can't even begin to count the amount of times people left immediately when they got one of the following roles:

- Spy
- HM
- Framer - This role is like a lite shittier version of HM . A) U have to keep visiting the person for them to come up susp. B)You can't kill. Literally worst role by far.
- Disguiser
- Survivor

This ruin games. I'm sure ya'll can easily pull stats from the database that correlates leavers/their roles. Also why the fuck is there a chat filter feature but then there are words you can't say? Like what is this snowflake bullshit.

[Robbytherobot]

This is a troll lmao. Framer and Disg need reworks (and they are gonna get it) but this reads like a classic troll post especially with "snowflake bullshit".

[Soulshade55r]

fam survivor is fun so shut up before I eat your breakfest

[desethora]

This is a troll lmao. Framer and Disg need reworks (and they are gonna get it) but this reads like a classic troll post especially with "snowflake bullshit".

Why the hell are you even responding to my post when you've got nothing to add? If anyone is starting shit it's you.

fam survivor is fun so shut up before I eat your breakfest

I'd love to see BlankMedia post the stats. Guarantee ppl in that role are on the list most likely to leave/get lynched.

It's a shit/unfun role and that's that. Also god forbid someone hits you while you're wearing a vest you'll immediately get lynched because "survivor claims are always evil."

[MysticMismagius]

Not from BMG themselves but someone did find stats on the roles most likely to leave (but only in Ranked, so Surv unfortunately isn't included)
it looked like this:

[desethora]

Who the hell plays ranked? :/

All Any/Town Traitor

[kyuss420]

Why would anyone leave as HM? Its the 2nd best coven role there is. Hardly a boring role and loads of fun.

Are you the noob that keeps fucking my team over by leaving day 1 as Hex master????

[Robbytherobot]

Desethora, alot of people play ranked perhaps its that most people who only play all any have 0 patience and evidenced by this post which sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.

[Soulshade55r]

Who the hell plays ranked? :/

All Any/Town Traitor

all any has no actal structure and is unfun

TT is a good mode

[desethora]

It's really interesting to me how one guy said I'm the troll when virtually 99% of the people that replied to this thread are insulting me instead of having a civil and adult conversation. Did I end up on the LoL/Fornite forum, or what? MysticMismagius, thanks for being the one adult on here.

Why would anyone leave as HM? Its the 2nd best coven role there is. Hardly a boring role and loads of fun.

Are you the noob that keeps fucking my team over by leaving day 1 as Hex master????

Second best role? You mean the one where you're an Arsonist but can't ignite until you've doused EVERY fucking person in the game? Oh yeah, totally 10/10.

Desethora, alot of people play ranked perhaps its that most people who only play all any have 0 patience and evidenced by this post which sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.

And you sound like your parents dropped you when you were 3. If I'm 12, what age does that make you? Because if an adult is spending time posting on a video game forum insulting others, their cerebral processing definitely must have some wires crossed. I don't know about vanilla but my time spent in all any Coven is met with a player every 3 games coming in and saying "Ranked is dead."

[Soulshade55r]

It's really interesting to me how one guy said I'm the troll when virtually 99% of the people that replied to this thread are insulting me instead of having a civil and adult conversation. Did I end up on the LoL/Fornite forum, or what? MysticMismagius, thanks for being the one adult on here.

Why would anyone leave as HM? Its the 2nd best coven role there is. Hardly a boring role and loads of fun.

Are you the noob that keeps fucking my team over by leaving day 1 as Hex master????

Second best role? You mean the one where you're an Arsonist but can't ignite until you've doused EVERY fucking person in the game? Oh yeah, totally 10/10.

Desethora, alot of people play ranked perhaps its that most people who only play all any have 0 patience and evidenced by this post which sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.

And you sound like your parents dropped you when you were 3. If I'm 12, what age does that make you? Because if an adult is spending time posting on a video game forum insulting others, their cerebral processing definitely must have some wires crossed. I don't know about vanilla but my time spent in all any Coven is met with a player every 3 games coming in and saying "Ranked is dead."

maybe that's why you have no idea what balance is because you play coven all any, it has no sense of balance or actual enjoyment or deduction becomes point and click the game.

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[HealthySama]

maybe that's why you have no idea what balance is because you play coven all any, it has no sense of balance or actual enjoyment or deduction becomes point and click the game.

Desethora, alot of people play ranked perhaps its that most people who only play all any have 0 patience and evidenced by this post which sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.

Who the hell plays ranked? :/

Geez guys, let people like what they like, without being insulting about it. If someone likes the chaotic nature of all any, opposed to the strict formulaic nature of ranked/other game modes, then that's fine. Personally, I think that having a diverse mix of roles you wouldn't see in any another game mode is more enjoyable than the normal game modes, but It's just as understandable if someone likes the formulaic/deductive nature of ranked. It's all about what you enjoy the most.

Going back to the main prompt, mafia roles like Framer and Disguiser are definitely lacking when compared to the coven roles. I don't know why BlankMediaGames decided to nerf disguiser when it was actually pretty decent. Same with spy. I disagree with you about Hex Master. Hex master is basically a better Framer, especially if you get the Necronomicon.

[MewNyanFan700]

To bring this thread back on topic.

I can't even begin to count the amount of times people left immediately when they got one of the following roles:

- Spy I've never seen a Spy leave, both in Classic All Any and Coven All Any.
- HM Hex Master is one of the more fun roles in my opinion, you can mess with anybody and if you're investigated you can claim whatever you want.
- Framer - This role is like a lite shittier version of HM . A) U have to keep visiting the person for them to come up susp. B)You can't kill. Literally worst role by far. Framer is getting a rework, and honestly, I don't mind it where it is now- As Framer you don't need to pay attention to 20 things at once, allowing your brain to think up "alright, what should we do?" Although other Mafia roles are more crucial, the occasional mislynch due to your doing is great.
- Disguiser I agree, honestly. Disguiser isn't very fun, but I believe it's also getting a rework. Plus you can cause chaos when you mislynch the actual Jailor because you (Disguiser) died showing Jailor as role.
- Survivor Buddy, have you ever played Kingmaker? It's amazing when you decide whether somebody lives or dies. The only downside is that Survivor is a common evil claim, so you're likely to be lynched/shot.

This ruin games. I'm sure ya'll can easily pull stats from the database that correlates leavers/their roles. Also why the fuck is there a chat filter feature but then there are words you can't say? Like what is this snowflake bullshit. Have you considered that a) the soft filter is hilarious b) nobody but people intentionally being offense would use the hard-blocked words, which would generally result in them being banned for hate speech/harrasment anyway? It's giving you a second chance.

My notes/responses are in bold & orange for those confused.

[kyuss420]

It's really interesting to me how one guy said I'm the troll when virtually 99% of the people that replied to this thread are insulting me instead of having a civil and adult conversation. Did I end up on the LoL/Fornite forum, or what? MysticMismagius, thanks for being the one adult on here.

Why would anyone leave as HM? Its the 2nd best coven role there is. Hardly a boring role and loads of fun.

Are you the noob that keeps fucking my team over by leaving day 1 as Hex master????

Second best role? You mean the one where you're an Arsonist but can't ignite until you've doused EVERY fucking person in the game? Oh yeah, totally 10/10."

2nd best COVEN role, as in roles that are factioned as coven. Also you claim to be an AA player, so chances are as HM, you have the necronomicon n3, as CL probly wont roll in the same game, allowing you to attack vets, kill trapped players and players guarded by BGs. You can also hit crusader targets and not die.

As for hexing everyone in the game, its not hard when theres only 3 or 4 players left, and with that kind of unstoppable attack, you can beat WWs, Arsos, GFs and SKs (also arsos rarely ignite until theyre in a position to win from igniting) Maybe if you stuck around to play the roles long enough, you would see how powerful and fun they really are...

[kyuss420]

maybe that's why you have no idea what balance is because you play coven all any, it has no sense of balance or actual enjoyment or deduction becomes point and click the game.

Id have to disagree there. AA has a role list, its just hidden. Confirming roles that exist within the game is half the deduction, especially when its role call time, and a noob is claiming a role that cant be possible, with the amount of players that are left, and the amount of confirmed roles that are still alive.
A lot of players fall into the trap of thinking ''any role is possible so i can claim anything'' and wonder why i start ''randomly'' pushing them when logic is dictating their role claim isnt possible... its because any role isnt possible, the role list is set, we just cant see it. (But you know theres a trapper, a transporter, a doc, trapper said sheriff tripped his trap, and you were RBed n2 so escort/consort... with those 5 roles being confirmed as active when youre down to 8 players, you can be pretty sure the invest claim is bs)

So Id have to argue that playing AA takes a lot more deductive skills than figuring out what the 3 RT slots are in ranked.

With that being said, any role leaving day 1 or day 2 in CAA can easily cost their faction the game, with the way majority can swing between 3-4 factions, no matter how ''boring'' a player perceives the role to be