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Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:29 am

Role Idea: Wraith
You are an evil spirit who desires to suffer in order to get revenge against the town.

Alignment -
Neutral Evil

Abilities -
Get yourself killed at night, then strike back at the town and see them lose.

Attack: Basic
Defense: None
Priority: 5th

Attributes -
You can not be killed on the first night.
Once you get killed, you start with 2 charges. If you have 0 charges left, you can no longer kill.
Killing a town role will gain you 1 charge since your primary goal is to kill town.
Killing a mafia role will make you lose 1 charge since you are retaliating against the town, not the Mafia.
Killing a neutral role or a night immune (Basic defense or above) will make you lose all your charges since you feel like you are only helping town.
If you get lynched instead of killed, you can still fulfill your goal. However, you will not receive any charges.

Goal -
Get yourself killed at night, then see the town lose.
IF the town wins at the end of the game, you will lose.

IF you are still alive by the end of the game, you lose.

Investigative Results -
Investigator: Your target is a Medium, Janitor, Necromancer, Trapper, or Wraith.
Consigliere: Your target is an evil spirit whose only ambition is to see the town suffer. They must be a Wraith.
Sheriff: Your target is not suspicious.

Text -
You have X charges left.
You have decided to attack John tonight.
You evilly cackled in laughter when you killed a town member. You received one charge.
Oh dear. It seems like you killed a primary enemy of the town: a Mafia member. You lost one charge since you felt guilty of it.
Your hopes are depleted and you felt useless. You lost all your charges. (When killing a Neutral or trying to kill a Night Immune)
You were cursed by the Wraith's spirit! You have died.
John died last night. He was cursed by the
Wraith's spirit.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby GMallow » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:59 pm

For a moment I thought this was a reverse jester until I saw the goal. This is a pretty cool and interesting role. The charges also seem really balanced along with the role itself

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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:07 pm

GMallow wrote:For a moment I thought this was a reverse jester until I saw the goal. This is a pretty cool and interesting role. The charges also seem really balanced along with the role itself

/support


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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:20 pm

1. Neutral Evil roles aren't supposed to kill, their job is to support the evils with their abilities.. killing breaks the whole meaning of them.
2. This role is extremely overpowered as in, claim Wraith Day 1, Scum kills you N1 and boom they get extra 1 KPN each night as long as you don't suck at the game. Sure TP can protect you, but then it would be an alive Evil role constantly helping Evils and whatever you do this role always hurts Town, you can't lynch/kill it at night as Town as Scum gets +1KPN and it always votes against Town and disturbs them so they cant do nothing about that too.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:27 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:1. Neutral Evil roles aren't supposed to kill, their job is to support the evils with their abilities.. killing breaks the whole meaning of them.


Jester kills by getting killed. Wraith kills by getting killed. Although it can kill, it's main purpose is not to get rid of all who oppose (like most NKs).

BasicFourLife wrote:2. This role is extremely overpowered as in, claim Wraith Day 1, Scum kills you N1 and boom they get extra 1 KPN each night as long as you don't suck at the game.


DestructionII wrote:You can not be killed on the first night.


Plus, NEs are SUPPOSED to hurt town so I don't know why you are saying:

BasicFourLife wrote:and whatever you do this role always hurts Town.


In addition to that, I can make this role NK or NC since NKs and constant killing NEs paired together will add more KPN's.
However, this role's goal is to see the town lose. Not to kill everyone who oppose. Plus, if this role kills a Neutral, then its a likely loss for Wraith since all their charges are depleted.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:30 pm

DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:1. Neutral Evil roles aren't supposed to kill, their job is to support the evils with their abilities.. killing breaks the whole meaning of them.


Jester kills by getting killed. Wraith kills by getting killed.

BasicFourLife wrote:2. This role is extremely overpowered as in, claim Wraith Day 1, Scum kills you N1 and boom they get extra 1 KPN each night as long as you don't suck at the game. Sure TP can protect you, but then it would be an alive Evil role constantly helping Evils and whatever you do this role always hurts Town, you can't lynch/kill it at night as Town as Scum gets +1KPN and it always votes against Town and disturbs them so they cant do nothing about that too.


DestructionII wrote:You can not be killed on the first night.


Plus, NEs are SUPPOSED to hurt town so I don't know why you are saying:

BasicFourLife wrote:and whatever you do this role always hurts Town.


In addition to that, I can make this role NK or NC since NKs and constant killing NEs paired together will add more KPN's.
However, this role's goal is to see the town lose. Not to kill everyone who oppose. Plus, if this role kills a Neutral, then its a likely loss for Wraith since all their charges are depleted.

Jester is not a true Neutral Evil, it needs to be Neutral Benign and so does Executioner. We currently have one true Neutral Evil, which is Witch.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:33 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:1. Neutral Evil roles aren't supposed to kill, their job is to support the evils with their abilities.. killing breaks the whole meaning of them.


Jester kills by getting killed. Wraith kills by getting killed.

BasicFourLife wrote:2. This role is extremely overpowered as in, claim Wraith Day 1, Scum kills you N1 and boom they get extra 1 KPN each night as long as you don't suck at the game. Sure TP can protect you, but then it would be an alive Evil role constantly helping Evils and whatever you do this role always hurts Town, you can't lynch/kill it at night as Town as Scum gets +1KPN and it always votes against Town and disturbs them so they cant do nothing about that too.


DestructionII wrote:You can not be killed on the first night.


Plus, NEs are SUPPOSED to hurt town so I don't know why you are saying:

BasicFourLife wrote:and whatever you do this role always hurts Town.


In addition to that, I can make this role NK or NC since NKs and constant killing NEs paired together will add more KPN's.
However, this role's goal is to see the town lose. Not to kill everyone who oppose. Plus, if this role kills a Neutral, then its a likely loss for Wraith since all their charges are depleted.

Jester is not a true Neutral Evil, it needs to be Neutral Benign and so does Executioner. We currently have one true Neutral Evil, which is Witch.


Sorry for editing my post. I did not know you were going to respond ASAP.

For the reasons you have mentioned, I can change this role to maybe NC? But I'm not certain if it should be NK or NC or neither of them.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:36 pm

DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:1. Neutral Evil roles aren't supposed to kill, their job is to support the evils with their abilities.. killing breaks the whole meaning of them.


Jester kills by getting killed. Wraith kills by getting killed.

BasicFourLife wrote:2. This role is extremely overpowered as in, claim Wraith Day 1, Scum kills you N1 and boom they get extra 1 KPN each night as long as you don't suck at the game. Sure TP can protect you, but then it would be an alive Evil role constantly helping Evils and whatever you do this role always hurts Town, you can't lynch/kill it at night as Town as Scum gets +1KPN and it always votes against Town and disturbs them so they cant do nothing about that too.


DestructionII wrote:You can not be killed on the first night.


Plus, NEs are SUPPOSED to hurt town so I don't know why you are saying:

BasicFourLife wrote:and whatever you do this role always hurts Town.


In addition to that, I can make this role NK or NC since NKs and constant killing NEs paired together will add more KPN's.
However, this role's goal is to see the town lose. Not to kill everyone who oppose. Plus, if this role kills a Neutral, then its a likely loss for Wraith since all their charges are depleted.

Jester is not a true Neutral Evil, it needs to be Neutral Benign and so does Executioner. We currently have one true Neutral Evil, which is Witch.


Sorry for editing my post. I did not know you were going to respond ASAP.

For the reasons you have mentioned, I can change this role to maybe NC? But I'm not certain if it should be NK or NC or neither of them.

We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:38 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:39 pm

DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?

The Town of Salem
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby Zee235 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:02 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?

The Town of Salem



Don't speak for the whole community

Anyways to keep this on topic...

Make this neutral chaos. That is all I have to say
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby DestroyerR225 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:06 pm

I don’t understand. So, just because one person thinks 2/3 of the NE roles are not “true” Neutral Evil, and because that same person thinks the game has no place for more NCs, it means this role has no alignment to fit in? Just put it as NE, you’re caring too much about criticism IMO
Anyway, this role seems interesting and balanced to me, so /support
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby Zee235 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:11 pm

DestroyerR225 wrote:I don’t understand. So, just because one person thinks 2/3 of the NE roles are not “true” Neutral Evil, and because that same person thinks the game has no place for more NCs, it means this role has no alignment to fit in? Just put it as NE, you’re caring too much about criticism IMO
Anyway, this role seems interesting and balanced to me, so /support


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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby DestroyerR225 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:21 pm

Not my role, it’s DestructionII’s
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby triangularbrick » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:29 pm

Zee235 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?

The Town of Salem



Don't speak for the whole community

Anyways to keep this on topic...

Make this neutral chaos. That is all I have to say


He's right. the community have gone out of their way to say no more Chaos alignments (just look in stickied "roles not to make" - It says very clearly here:)
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestroyerR225 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:58 pm

triangularbrick wrote:
Zee235 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?

The Town of Salem



Don't speak for the whole community

Anyways to keep this on topic...

Make this neutral chaos. That is all I have to say


He's right. the community have gone out of their way to say no more Chaos alignments (just look in stickied "roles not to make" - It says very clearly here:)
Gooose26 wrote:NOTE: This thread will be the guide on the roles that should not be made if you are trying to build a balanced role. In the Role Ideas forum, you are not required to make your role balanced, but if you wish to fully balance your role, we advise you to stay clear of the following concepts and roles.


Chaos Role- Any role that is built to bring chaos to the game

I don’t think this means “no NC roles”... it’s advising to refrain from making a role that causes chaos. Despite the name, Neutral Chaos is usually a category for roles that don’t fit in any of the other alignments. I guess you could call it “Neutral Miscellaneous”
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby Zee235 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:11 pm

DestroyerR225 wrote:
triangularbrick wrote:
Zee235 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:We do not need any more Neutral Chaos roles in the game.


I'm confused. Who is "we"?

The Town of Salem



Don't speak for the whole community

Anyways to keep this on topic...

Make this neutral chaos. That is all I have to say


He's right. the community have gone out of their way to say no more Chaos alignments (just look in stickied "roles not to make" - It says very clearly here:)
Gooose26 wrote:NOTE: This thread will be the guide on the roles that should not be made if you are trying to build a balanced role. In the Role Ideas forum, you are not required to make your role balanced, but if you wish to fully balance your role, we advise you to stay clear of the following concepts and roles.


Chaos Role- Any role that is built to bring chaos to the game

I don’t think this means “no NC roles”... it’s advising to refrain from making a role that causes chaos. Despite the name, Neutral Chaos is usually a category for roles that don’t fit in any of the other alignments. I guess you could call it “Neutral Miscellaneous”


What he said. Neutral Chaos is simply a place for neutral roles that don',t fit anywhere else. Athough NC roles can cause chaos, chaos roles simply refer to roles that ONLY bring chaos. One could argue jester is s chaos role.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby DISOR3NT3D » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:37 pm

Great idea


My add on: you cannot talk during the day or to the jailor That's all
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby Shilster » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:20 am

What happens if you hit a selfvesting BG?
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby DestructionII » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:53 am

The BG has Basic defense, so Basic attacks would not work..
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby Shilster » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:31 am

Would you lose charges or not?
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Chaos)]

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:36 am

This should be NE, as its goal is to make the town lose.
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby DestructionII » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:01 pm

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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby Gertrude17 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:42 pm

What if you attack someone but you kill a BG and you die as well. Will you get a charge from that?
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Re: Wraith [Neutral (Evil)]

Postby GoogleFeud » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:47 am

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