SweetLionButt wrote:Lol first off this is not a joke role i did NOT just buff the defense.
He douses escorts/consorts when they rb him.
He douses Jailor when they jail him
and his douses are a RAMPAGE attack.
+the defense
fwogcarf wrote:Wait, so Werewolves and SKs can no longer kill this role? We can only have them die by Unstoppable attacks now? Oh boy, I'm sure that's balanced
/nosupport
Element83 wrote:SweetLionButt wrote:Lol first off this is not a joke role i did NOT just buff the defense.
He douses escorts/consorts when they rb him.
He douses Jailor when they jail him
and his douses are a RAMPAGE attack.
+the defense
Ok here are my thoughts
+Escorts/Jailor thing
BUT
>RaMpAgE - Rampage is RNG and takes no skill to use, its broken, You can kill the entire town if an arso has RaMagE
so of course /NoSupport
SweetLionButt wrote:fwogcarf wrote:Wait, so Werewolves and SKs can no longer kill this role? We can only have them die by Unstoppable attacks now? Oh boy, I'm sure that's balanced
/nosupport
Hahaha....dude, SK cant kill arso either way. Plus WW and Arso would not be in the same game. Unless its Custom or All Any. But those Modes are choas anyway
Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
BasicFourLife wrote:Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
From Arsos only* it doesnt need immunity against FBs
Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
Kirize12 wrote:TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
Actually I like that arsonists can still be doused by other arsonists, it does not really make sense for anyone to be immune - how are you immune to being covered in gas? Lore based argument, I can just as easily say “gasoline is an undiscovered comcept, so ardonists (aka people who are experienced with this kind of stuff) should be able to immediately detect it, while other townies might attribute the smell to just something they ate. :3
Also, the arsonist is notified when another arsonist douses them, so if you get ignited by another arsonist that it is on you. But then you have to give up a night where you could be dousing someone. For a role who’s kills are already set at N-1, this is sub-optimal.
Also I’m like 50% sure douse immunity is already a thing.
Kirize12 wrote:TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
Actually I like that arsonists can still be doused by other arsonists, it does not really make sense for anyone to be immune - how are you immune to being covered in gas? Lore based argument, I can just as easily say “gasoline is an undiscovered comcept, so ardonists (aka people who are experienced with this kind of stuff) should be able to immediately detect it, while other townies might attribute the smell to just something they ate. :3
Also, the arsonist is notified when another arsonist douses them, so if you get ignited by another arsonist that it is on you. But then you have to give up a night where you could be dousing someone. For a role who’s kills are already set at N-1, this is sub-optimal.
Also I’m like 50% sure douse immunity is already a thing.
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
Actually I like that arsonists can still be doused by other arsonists, it does not really make sense for anyone to be immune - how are you immune to being covered in gas? Lore based argument, I can just as easily say “gasoline is an undiscovered comcept, so ardonists (aka people who are experienced with this kind of stuff) should be able to immediately detect it, while other townies might attribute the smell to just something they ate. :3
Also, the arsonist is notified when another arsonist douses them, so if you get ignited by another arsonist that it is on you. But then you have to give up a night where you could be dousing someone. For a role who’s kills are already set at N-1, this is sub-optimal.
Also I’m like 50% sure douse immunity is already a thing.
People have already said here on the forums that they reject Lore based arguments no matter what. I dislike the idea of douse immunity so I am also going to need a little more than "it's a different universe".
If you have to wait a night because you are doused, then that means there is more than 1 Arsonist in the game. Also meaning your KPN goes up, therefore, no, it isn't sub-optimal at all. 2 arsonists who get lucky can sweep the town in 6 nights.
TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:DOUSE IMMUNITY
Actually I like that arsonists can still be doused by other arsonists, it does not really make sense for anyone to be immune - how are you immune to being covered in gas? Lore based argument, I can just as easily say “gasoline is an undiscovered comcept, so ardonists (aka people who are experienced with this kind of stuff) should be able to immediately detect it, while other townies might attribute the smell to just something they ate. :3
Also, the arsonist is notified when another arsonist douses them, so if you get ignited by another arsonist that it is on you. But then you have to give up a night where you could be dousing someone. For a role who’s kills are already set at N-1, this is sub-optimal.
Also I’m like 50% sure douse immunity is already a thing.
People have already said here on the forums that they reject Lore based arguments no matter what. I dislike the idea of douse immunity so I am also going to need a little more than "it's a different universe".
If you have to wait a night because you are doused, then that means there is more than 1 Arsonist in the game. Also meaning your KPN goes up, therefore, no, it isn't sub-optimal at all. 2 arsonists who get lucky can sweep the town in 6 nights.
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
Element83 wrote:SweetLionButt wrote:Lol first off this is not a joke role i did NOT just buff the defense.
He douses escorts/consorts when they rb him.
He douses Jailor when they jail him
and his douses are a RAMPAGE attack.
+the defense
Ok here are my thoughts
+Escorts/Jailor thing
BUT
>RaMpAgE - Rampage is RNG and takes no skill to use, its broken, You can kill the entire town if an arso has RaMagE
so of course /NoSupport
QTmcwee wrote:Element83 wrote:SweetLionButt wrote:Lol first off this is not a joke role i did NOT just buff the defense.
He douses escorts/consorts when they rb him.
He douses Jailor when they jail him
and his douses are a RAMPAGE attack.
+the defense
Ok here are my thoughts
+Escorts/Jailor thing
BUT
>RaMpAgE - Rampage is RNG and takes no skill to use, its broken, You can kill the entire town if an arso has RaMagE
so of course /NoSupport
Lol, do you even know what "Rampage" means? You attack your target's visitors. That's not RNG. Lmfao. RNG stands for Random Number Generator. Roles that are RNG include the Psychic and Crusader (Coven Expansion). Werewolf does not consist of an RNG mechanic, even though they consist of a Rampage attack as well. I for one think the Arso is balanced in certain conditions, however needs to be tweaked. For one, the Powerful defense does not need to be added, the only ones who could possibly kill an Arsonist are: Crusader, Bodyguard, Trapper, Jailor, Werewolf, Arsonist, Pestilence, Medusa, Veteran, Hex Master, and Pirate. In my opinion the Arsonist doesn't need more defense. I like the idea they douse their RB'ers though. I suppose that the Rampage should be used for the douses, and when you ignite your targets cannot be visited during that night. Who knows, however I do agree with most - 99% of this role remake. Spoiler:
/support
Kirize12 wrote:This is a lore based argument.
People in those ages didn't know what gasoline was, thus they wouldn't be able to attribute the smell to gasoline.
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
Kirize12 wrote:Well done
That made me smile
Arsonists are experienced with gasoline, and know it's properties. That's why when an arsonist wakes up and smells gasoline, it knows its deadly properties if ignited and immediately washes it off, so when another arsonists attempts to set them on fire they can just stop, drop, and roll.
Other townies wouldn't know what gasoline was, so when they wake up they attribute the smell to something different. Until they die, because townies back then were clueless.
This is a lore based argument, yes - but yours is as well. I'm just saying how lore can be changed, while balance can't.
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
TheLeaper wrote:Kirize12 wrote:Well done
That made me smile
Arsonists are experienced with gasoline, and know it's properties. That's why when an arsonist wakes up and smells gasoline, it knows its deadly properties if ignited and immediately washes it off, so when another arsonists attempts to set them on fire they can just stop, drop, and roll.
Other townies wouldn't know what gasoline was, so when they wake up they attribute the smell to something different. Until they die, because townies back then were clueless.
This is a lore based argument, yes - but yours is as well. I'm just saying how lore can be changed, while balance can't.
Once again, take your STUPID BULLSHIT somewhere else.
NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, you aren't going to be immune to having something DUMPED on you. When somebody wakes up they will realize they are covered in SOME sort of liquid. It does not MATTER what they smell, because they will feel it.
Stop being a complete fuck already.
Homer Simpson wrote:"The waiting game sucks, let's do something else."
Citizen Steel wrote:Be on the lookout for a badass in a leather jacket....or a suspicious puddle of water."
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