Survivor Rework

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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Sat May 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Zee235 wrote:I honestly think survivor is fine as it is. Neutral benign roles (except guardian angels) should be able to pick there side. They are meant to be kingmakers. The whole point of surv/amne is that in order to complete their goal they have to chose a side. Kingmakers are not always a bad thing it is just part of the game.

Yes they are.. is it fair for Survivor to choose Town’s side just because he feels like it over NK.. no it isn’t. This change increases the WR of those roles in said situations.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Zee235 » Sat May 26, 2018 7:00 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Zee235 wrote:I honestly think survivor is fine as it is. Neutral benign roles (except guardian angels) should be able to pick there side. They are meant to be kingmakers. The whole point of surv/amne is that in order to complete their goal they have to chose a side. Kingmakers are not always a bad thing it is just part of the game.

Yes they are.. is it fair for Survivor to choose Town’s side just because he feels like it over NK.. no it isn’t. This change increases the WR of those roles in said situations.


Well that was the whole point survivor was made. Although it probably doesn't matter to you it should be noted that NB roles are no longer in ranked. I would NOT worry about how fair something is if it can only be found in Custom/CHAOTIC games.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby OnlineFluff3793 » Sun May 27, 2018 12:40 pm

I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Sun May 27, 2018 12:52 pm

OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Sun May 27, 2018 8:07 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time


Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby lemonader666 » Sun May 27, 2018 8:44 pm

TheGator wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time


Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

then what's it's purpose then?
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Sun May 27, 2018 9:04 pm

lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time


Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

then what's it's purpose then?


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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby lemonader666 » Sun May 27, 2018 11:05 pm

TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time


Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

then what's it's purpose then?


To Survive and Decide.

>Isn't supposed to be an evil claim
>Is supposed to survive and decide
those aren't the same
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Sun May 27, 2018 11:22 pm

lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
OnlineFluff3793 wrote:I feel like this makes Survivor way to easy to win with. You can easily claim survivor and nobody will be worried about you taking sides.

so.. scum can easily do it to buy themselves a lot of time


Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

then what's it's purpose then?


To Survive and Decide.

>Isn't supposed to be an evil claim
>Is supposed to survive and decide
those aren't the same


Of course they aren't!
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby lemonader666 » Mon May 28, 2018 5:27 am

TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Mon May 28, 2018 6:13 am

Reworked

- I used Google's Coward role and applied its mechanics here to replace the vest mechanic. Survivor is much more dangerous to Townies now, and makes Town more likely to hang them which makes you not wanna reveal as Survivor.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Mon May 28, 2018 7:43 am

lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.


I think your Gator-Confused.

Basic made a roll that evils can claim more.
Survivors aren't suppose to be claimable
There suppose to Survive to the end and make choices along the way.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Mon May 28, 2018 7:47 am

TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.


I think your Gator-Confused.

Basic made a roll that evils can claim more.
Survivors aren't suppose to be claimable
There suppose to Survive to the end and make choices along the way.

NB isnt supposed to always help town-- its supposed to be a double edged card
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby lemonader666 » Mon May 28, 2018 7:50 am

TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.


I think your Gator-Confused.

Basic made a roll that evils can claim more.
Survivors aren't suppose to be claimable
There suppose to Survive to the end and make choices along the way.

TheGator wrote:Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

Is about how survivor can influence the game
TheGator wrote:To Survive and Decide.

Isn't about how survivor can influence the game
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Mon May 28, 2018 7:51 am

BasicFourLife wrote:
TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.


I think your Gator-Confused.

Basic made a roll that evils can claim more.
Survivors aren't suppose to be claimable
There suppose to Survive to the end and make choices along the way.

NB isnt supposed to always help town-- its supposed to be a double edged card


And they don't. Survivor mostly helps the neutral killer if they can anyways.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby TheGator » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:04 am

lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheGator wrote:Of course they aren't!

Which made your previous argument invalid.


I think your Gator-Confused.

Basic made a roll that evils can claim more.
Survivors aren't suppose to be claimable
There suppose to Survive to the end and make choices along the way.

TheGator wrote:Survivor isn't suppose to be an evil claim!

Is about how survivor can influence the game
TheGator wrote:To Survive and Decide.

Isn't about how survivor can influence the game


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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Boredfan1 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:08 pm

The reason survivor is claimable by Werewolf, arsonist, godfather and serial killer is because it comes up as immune when it while vested. IF that is taken away so there's no message or you get the message "You hit their vest!" then we take away that ability. It can hurt the neutral killers a bit since they don't have a claim except executioner for why they are immune however, if they can get the survivor on their side, then that may just make up for that and give them the win so it's pretty balanced. Also, just to clarify, ONLY change it for survivor that way the bodyguard can't instantly get confirmed, that would just screw the balance over way more. As for what the survivors chose, they tend to lean towards NK because the town always villifies them, even when they are or agreeing to work with town. It's the stupid in and out group tribal mentality that destroys lives. If town was more fair to survivors, then the survivors would side with town more than they do. ALSO, fairness IS important, even in chaotic modes. Having chaos doesn't mean you can't have fairness too.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Blackwolfe99 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:56 pm

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Boredfan1 wrote:The reason survivor is claimable by Werewolf, arsonist, godfather and serial killer is because it comes up as immune when it while vested. IF that is taken away so there's no message or you get the message "You hit their vest!" then we take away that ability. It can hurt the neutral killers a bit since they don't have a claim except executioner for why they are immune however, if they can get the survivor on their side, then that may just make up for that and give them the win so it's pretty balanced. Also, just to clarify, ONLY change it for survivor that way the bodyguard can't instantly get confirmed, that would just screw the balance over way more. As for what the survivors chose, they tend to lean towards NK because the town always villifies them, even when they are or agreeing to work with town. It's the stupid in and out group tribal mentality that destroys lives. If town was more fair to survivors, then the survivors would side with town more than they do. ALSO, fairness IS important, even in chaotic modes. Having chaos doesn't mean you can't have fairness too.

GFs and Arsos often claim BG
SKs often claim Doc
WWs often claim Exe.
Point doesn't add up.

Anyway, that being said, this Coward based version would make Surv a much better role.
Requiring a player to be tactical about their abilities in order to win, preventing the surv from just afking and winning, and preventing Kingmaker scenarios.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Jackparrot » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:09 pm

Why not just change how the stale mate detector works?
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Soulshade55r » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:58 pm

I find Survivor fun :(!
Anyway I love screwing over Nks shouting about how they don't win a lot It's funny.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Stiersquid » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:04 pm

Soulshade55r wrote:I find Survivor fun :(!
Anyway I love screwing over Nks shouting about how they don't win a lot It's funny.

You are pure evil.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Zee235 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:11 pm

http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Benign

Read the first paragraph. Now I know the wiki is not the best source of info in the world but it is the best I can come up with. From what it sounds like Neutral Benign roles are supposed to (although not required) be kingmakers. If this is what BMG had in mind for making roles like survivor then thats basically the end of it. If it was made to be a kingmaker for some games then let it be. This is what I think as far as survivor goes.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Zee235 wrote:http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Benign

Read the first paragraph. Now I know the wiki is not the best source of info in the world but it is the best I can come up with. From what it sounds like Neutral Benign roles are supposed to (although not required) be kingmakers. If this is what BMG had in mind for making roles like survivor then thats basically the end of it. If it was made to be a kingmaker for some games then let it be. This is what I think as far as survivor goes.

- It's actually the complete opposite, we are trying to remove all kingmakers from the game.
- If there is in fact a rule like that in the Wiki, that needs to be changed.
- Also the best source of information on how to make roles is in RI stickied topics.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby Zee235 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:24 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Zee235 wrote:http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Benign

Read the first paragraph. Now I know the wiki is not the best source of info in the world but it is the best I can come up with. From what it sounds like Neutral Benign roles are supposed to (although not required) be kingmakers. If this is what BMG had in mind for making roles like survivor then thats basically the end of it. If it was made to be a kingmaker for some games then let it be. This is what I think as far as survivor goes.

- It's actually the complete opposite, we are trying to remove all kingmakers from the game.
- If there is in fact a rule like that in the Wiki, that needs to be changed.
- Also the best source of information on how to make roles is in RI stickied topics.

1. That would be really hard. Anything can be a kingmaker at any point. For example in a Chaos mode it serial killer could be a kingmaker. Not to mention most of that post was just to mention that if BMG, the owners of the game, Want survivors to be king makers then it would most likely not happen. Although kingmakers can be unbalanced a lot of the community like kingmakers. take it from him

Soulshade55r wrote:I find Survivor fun :(!
Anyway I love screwing over Nks shouting about how they don't win a lot It's funny.



2. please explain

3. I would say the best info would come from BMG itself. I know the wiki is not BMG themselves but that was the best I could find. If BMG did have problems with kingmakers then they would probably do something about it.
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Re: Survivor Rework

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:32 pm

Zee235 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Zee235 wrote:http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Benign

Read the first paragraph. Now I know the wiki is not the best source of info in the world but it is the best I can come up with. From what it sounds like Neutral Benign roles are supposed to (although not required) be kingmakers. If this is what BMG had in mind for making roles like survivor then thats basically the end of it. If it was made to be a kingmaker for some games then let it be. This is what I think as far as survivor goes.

- It's actually the complete opposite, we are trying to remove all kingmakers from the game.
- If there is in fact a rule like that in the Wiki, that needs to be changed.
- Also the best source of information on how to make roles is in RI stickied topics.

1. That would be really hard. Anything can be a kingmaker at any point. For example in a Chaos mode it serial killer could be a kingmaker. Not to mention most of that post was just to mention that if BMG, the owners of the game, Want survivors to be king makers then it would most likely not happen. Although kingmakers can be unbalanced a lot of the community like kingmakers. take it from him

Soulshade55r wrote:I find Survivor fun :(!
Anyway I love screwing over Nks shouting about how they don't win a lot It's funny.



2. please explain

3. I would say the best info would come from BMG itself. I know the wiki is not BMG themselves but that was the best I could find. If BMG did have problems with kingmakers then they would probably do something about it.

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