Boredfan1 wrote:-Jailor should be able to jail whoever they want, you can't force them to conform to what you think they should do and any mafia worth their salt can convince the jailor not to execute them unless they were put in a really shitty situation where you can't come back from it as I have. Usually, the jailor changes targets but if you don't want to exe someone who didn't respond and want to give them a chance before executing them or they are confirmed maf, you need to jail them. The jailor isn't overpowered, it's actually pretty decently powerful in fact, it is less powerful than it use to be and even then it wasn't that bad.
-The second is exactly what I've suggested. It feels like you stole it from me! Jokes aside, I support.
-If the godfather can kill the jailor in jail, then it just confirms who the godfather is like with the SK so it's not smart.
-If you are at all paying attention, you know you are in jail, you don't need bar cosmetics.
Boredfan1 wrote:-If it takes the faction kill, perhaps but even then, it can still be bad for the mafia as a town can easily come to the conclusion X was jailed and therefore they are probably the godfather.
-Still, it hurts the town and players too much to make them conform to a pattern you want.
Boredfan1 wrote:The jailor is fine though, the problem lies more in spy and poorly designed mafia, NK and witch.
Cirque wrote:I agree with 1, 2, and the cosmetics. Since Mafia and Coven have a team behind them I think it would be a little OP to just straight up kill the Jailor if they wanted to.
TrueGuardian32 wrote:A while ago I did a Jailor Rework? kinda post and got some good feedback, so I'm going to summarize what I want changed about the Jailor.
This is in the order I want the changes.
1. Jailor shouldn't be able to jail the same person twice in a row. Jailor should have to wait a night before they can jail the same person, so they could jail A n1 but they couldn't jail A n2, this would force them to change targets. Also it gives mafia a chance against Jailor.
2. Jailed NKs should get the option on weather they want to attack the Jailor when they are jailed.
3. Godfather should get the option to kill the Jailor as well as the NK's. Same for Coven with the Necronomicon.
Those are the things I want changed that balance Jailor a bit.
Here are some cosmetic changes I want.
1. Bars over the screen showing that you are in jail.
2. A better Jailor House and Skin, the old ones are good, but I want some new ones.
Boredfan1 wrote:-The godfather orders the mafioso to attack so it's the mafioso who actually does the kill. But if the godfather is jailed, then the mafioso has full reign to attack who they want which would be robbed from this if the godfather can attack jailor in jail.
-It protects people by getting information and jailing known evils and executing them. The game could be better balanced in other ways.
TrueGuardian32 wrote:Boredfan1 wrote:-The godfather orders the mafioso to attack so it's the mafioso who actually does the kill. But if the godfather is jailed, then the mafioso has full reign to attack who they want which would be robbed from this if the godfather can attack jailor in jail.
-It protects people by getting information and jailing known evils and executing them. The game could be better balanced in other ways.
The Godfather can only order the Mafioso to attack the Jailor, and it puts the mark besides the GFs name instead of the Jailor, also if there is a executions the GF's attack fails.
Also the second point you put doesn't make sense, its still like that in this version, you just can't jail twice in a row. So you can technically jail who ever you want, your just forced to switch to another each night, so on Night 1 you could jail Mr Tromp but on Night 2 you couldn't, however on Night 3 you can.
Boredfan1 wrote:TrueGuardian32 wrote:Boredfan1 wrote:-The godfather orders the mafioso to attack so it's the mafioso who actually does the kill. But if the godfather is jailed, then the mafioso has full reign to attack who they want which would be robbed from this if the godfather can attack jailor in jail.
-It protects people by getting information and jailing known evils and executing them. The game could be better balanced in other ways.
The Godfather can only order the Mafioso to attack the Jailor, and it puts the mark besides the GFs name instead of the Jailor, also if there is a executions the GF's attack fails.
Also the second point you put doesn't make sense, its still like that in this version, you just can't jail twice in a row. So you can technically jail who ever you want, your just forced to switch to another each night, so on Night 1 you could jail Mr Tromp but on Night 2 you couldn't, however on Night 3 you can.
Nothing you said made any sense.
-But the thing is, what if they don't know who the jailor is? So it doesn't make sense to just give them that information and would be an unfair buff. No, the godfather would have to attack the jailor but even then, it's not very smart.
-The jailor protects people by executing evils and jailing suspects so they know who to kill.
-Again, it's not a good idea to force the jailor to conform to this pattern because you think it's overpowered. It becomes virtually useless once it runs out of executions and with a limit of three and the ability to lose all of them by executing a townie, it has been nerfed enough that it's strength is fair.
Boredfan1 wrote:SIGH.
1: The jailor CAN'T run the game, that's a major exaggeration, the jailor is strong but nerf it anymore and the role is useless.
2: Again, allowing any evil role kill the jailor while in jail is a bad idea because it's too easy to get lynched soon after without a forger.
3: Allowing them to kill would essentially nerf the jailor too much and make it useless since too many things can just kill them.
4: Do not increase the letters of a sentence to such degree, it is jarring and unnecessary.
Shilster wrote:I don't think GF and Coven should be able to kill Jailor. It would make Jailor too weak.
Shilster wrote:So do Lookouts see the kill? Who would kill, the GF or Mafioso?
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