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The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:43 pm
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
The Taboo Caster (Reworked)
Spoiler: Role Name: Taboo Caster
ATK: Powerful DEF: Basic/Powerful (In Instances)
UNIQUE ROLE

Role Alignment: Coven Evil

Goal: Kill all who would oppose the Coven.

Lore:: The Taboo Caster, working in the arts of forbidding people, were banished from their hometown for their cruel acts and inhumanity. Now, seeking for redemption and vengeance, the Taboo Caster has sought out for the Coven, heard from rumors and phenomenal happenings in Salem. Here, the magic of creating taboos has become an interest of the Coven. They recruit the Taboo Caster, hoping to see the Taboo Caster's magic at work.

Abilities:
>Each night, cast a Taboo on a player

Special Attributes:
>Can give powerful defense to all Coven members.
>Can read Coven chat.

Attributes:
3 abilities:

Protective Taboo:
>You only have 2 charges.
>These charges will regenerate so long as you won't use it for a night.
>This will be put in the player list like the Witch. The left bars are for the forbidden players. The right bars are for the chosen Coven members under your protection.
>You can choose 1 forbidden player and 1 Coven member. If the forbidden player attacks the chosen Coven member, they will be dealt with a Basic attack. And the chosen Coven member is given a Basic defense.
>You will not visit your target upon their death under a Taboo. However, you will visit you target upon CASTING a Taboo.
>You will not visit the chosen Coven member but instead the forbidden player.

Lethal Taboo:
>You only have 2 charges for this.
>This charge will regenerate so long as you won't use it for a night.
>You can cast a lethal Taboo (you can only cast it on non Covens) on enemies how this works is: The night you cast a Taboo on someone they gain a Powerful defense for that night, but the next night they will be deal a basic attack to whom they visit.
>Your target won't know if someone casted a Taboo on them, unless they were attacked and they would get a message:
"You were attacked but was nursed back to health!" This is in-order to be able to claim Doctor.

Friendly Taboo:
>You can choose to give all your Coven members Powerful defense for the current night only.
>You only have 1 charge.
>This charge cannot be replenished.
>If a Coven member was jailed, they cannot be executed.
> If a Coven member visited a Staying Werewolf, Alerting Veteran, or any role that would have killed them, they will instead be given a Powerful defense unless if it is a Haunting Jester or Pestilence.


Additional Information:
>The Protective Taboo also includes:
-Werewolf Stay = If Coven visits a WW who stayed or their target, thartCoven member will not die.
-Veteran Alert = Any Coven member who visits Veteran who alerts while Veteran is under a Taboo, that Coven member will instead gain a Night Immunity TO THE VETERAN ONLY.
-Vampire = If Vampire tries to convert your chosen Coven member, that Coven member will gain a Basic Defense instead.
-Arsonist (This also includes Juggernaut, Pirate, and any other NK roles not mentioned.) = If Arsonist tries to douse your chosen Coven member, they will not be doused instead and this will not notify Arsonist BUT, if Arsonist ignites with a Coven member, that Coven member will die EVEN if they were under your protection.

IF NECRONOMICON IS GAINED:
>Your Taboo will go unnoticed if it is casted on a Killing Role.
>You can deal a Basic Attack by clicking them to themselves.
>You can choose between a Basic Attack which will take immediately affect the night you cast it or a Powerful Attack which will be delayed by 1 night like before, and it no longer gives your target any defense the night you cast it on them and they will be instead role blocked the night you cast a taboo on them. You can still cast your friendly Taboo if you still have it, but if you had used it previously you won't gain any new charges for it.
>The choosing for what Taboo to cast would have a PM option however, the Protective Taboo will be on the player list. The Lethal and Friendly Taboo will be on the PM option tab.
>You gain an astral visit if you successfully protected a Coven member from death by the Protective Taboo.
>You can now use any of the Taboos continuously except the Friendly Taboo since it dosn't recharge.
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TABOO CASTER BUFF:
>Tracker, Spy, and Lookout will not see you visit your own Coven members and instead see you visit the tabooed player.
>Tracker, Spy, and Lookout will see you visit your own Coven members if you used your Friendly Taboo.
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Notifications:
When Taboo is casted on a Killing Role:
"You feel like there is someone forbidding you to kill"
If target dies of a Taboo:
"Mystoc died last night. They were killed by a Taboo Caster"
If Coven member was attacked:
"You were attacked last night but was saved from a Taboo!"
If killed by a Protective Taboo:
"MafiaMenace died last night. They were killed by a member of the Coven"
If killed by a Lethal Taboo:
"HereThereEverywhere died last night. They were killed by a member of the Coven."

Investigative Results:

Investigator: Your target could be a Taboo Caster/Doctor/Disguiser/Serial Killer
Sheriff: Your target is a member of the Coven!
Consigliere: Your target creates taboos and casts it on people. They must be a Taboo Caster!


Acknowledgement:
    BasicFourLife

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:06 pm
by Mystoc
this role is to situtional really what is it protecting from vig and sk? and sk or vig isn't guaranteed to be in every game

this role will largey be doing nothing till it gets its nerconmoicon

>You can only create a Taboo 3 times. However, you can create a 4th
one by sacrificing yourself. (You will die the night you cast the Taboo. The
Taboo will stay for that player for the whole game.)


ok but if you have necronomicon then that means NK can never kill anyone of your coven members since its attacked with a powerful attack and they all cant be killed by someone who is tabooed, THAT'S OP as hell if you cast it on NK

you can also make it so vet cant kill coven on alert if you do this necro buff too strong

you need to rework necro buff so it isn't a powerful attack


remove the whole dieing to use 4th time thing part i could see a lot new players playing the for the first tine and just using it a 4th time and being like wtf why did i die

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and this role is completely and utterly countured by spy since this role must visit at least one coven member each night to use its ability lol

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>Your Taboo attack will change from Basic to Powerful and the chosen Coven member under your protection
will gain a Night Immunity for other players UNDER a Taboo.


random new line might wanna fix that

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like i stated before powerful attack needs to go but you wording makes what i think how you intended the role to work not work at all


the necro buff is very messed up terms of power and the way its worded

first you say

>If your target kills any Coven members, they will die also die by a Basic Attack.


then you say this is the necro buff

>Your Taboo attack will change from Basic to Powerful


but then you say this is also part of the necro buff

and the chosen Coven member under your protection will gain a Night Immunity for other players UNDER a Taboo.


so if the they cant die right from tabooed players with necro that means the attack can never happen since they can never be killed, so the buffing it from basic to powerful is a useless buff since they cant ever die the won't happen ever

if the wording said attacked instead of killed it would make sense

but even then powerful attacks are OP vrs NK i don't like it


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coven town protection doesnt work that well casue coven has very few enemies that can kill them so must times ur useless

this role is a cool concept but early game this role is useless casue really you can only save coven from SK and vig thats it other NK like WW and Asro can kill your coven anyway

late game the buffs are to strong try nerfing the necro buff and buffing this roles early game

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:26 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
Mystoc wrote:this role is to situtional really what is it protecting from vig and sk? and sk or vig isn't guaranteed to be in every game

this role will largey be doing nothing till it gets its nerconmoicon

>You can only create a Taboo 3 times. However, you can create a 4th
one by sacrificing yourself. (You will die the night you cast the Taboo. The
Taboo will stay for that player for the whole game.)


ok but if you have necronomicon then that means NK can never kill anyone of your coven members since its attacked with a powerful attack and they all cant be killed by someone who is tabooed, THAT'S OP as hell if you cast it on NK

you can also make it so vet cant kill coven on alert if you do this necro buff too strong

you need to rework necro buff so it isn't a powerful attack


remove the whole dieing to use 4th time thing part i could see a lot new players playing the for the first tine and just using it a 4th time and being like wtf why did i die

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and this role is completely and utterly countured by spy since this role must visit at least one coven member each night to use its ability lol

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>Your Taboo attack will change from Basic to Powerful and the chosen Coven member under your protection
will gain a Night Immunity for other players UNDER a Taboo.


random new line might wanna fix that

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like i stated before powerful attack needs to go but you wording makes what i think how you intended the role to work not work at all


the necro buff is very messed up terms of power and the way its worded

first you say

>If your target kills any Coven members, they will die also die by a Basic Attack.


then you say this is the necro buff

>Your Taboo attack will change from Basic to Powerful


but then you say this is also part of the necro buff

and the chosen Coven member under your protection will gain a Night Immunity for other players UNDER a Taboo.


so if the they cant die right from tabooed players with necro that means the attack can never happen since they can never be killed, so the buffing it from basic to powerful is a useless buff since they cant ever die the won't happen ever

if the wording said attacked instead of killed it would make sense

but even then powerful attacks are OP vrs NK i don't like it


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coven town protection doesnt work that well casue coven has very few enemies that can kill them so must times ur useless

this role is a cool concept but early game this role is useless casue really you can only save coven from SK and vig thats it other NK like WW and Asro can kill your coven anyway

late game the buffs are to strong try nerfing the necro buff and buffing this roles early game



Thanks for the feedback!

I have already changed some of the Taboo Caster's ability and attributes. Please check it out and see if it fits!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:35 am
by BasicFourLife
What does the Taboo do?
Cuz you say that "if your target attacks ANY of your Coven, the member YOU CHOSE will not die". WHAT???
I can't understand it at all.
And do you have two options like Witch and the Trans have and ALSO this role is too specific on what it does.

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:30 pm
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:What does the Taboo do?
Cuz you say that "if your target attacks ANY of your Coven, the member YOU CHOSE will not die". WHAT???
I can't understand it at all.
And do you have two options like Witch and the Trans have and ALSO this role is too specific on what it does.


Changed it already lmao.
Thanks for your feedback!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:03 am
by BasicFourLife
Meh I kind of feel like this would be a weaker PM, since PM can choose between 3 spells, but this can only one.
Its only objective is to protect Coven, but it has some major flaws.
If an NK attacks any if your Coven, you just kill the NK and your team will be in a disadvantage.
If an Townie attacks your target and dies by TabooMaster, your coven member will just be confirmed as Coven and hung the next day so it doesn't help at all, only near end game, in early game it is useless.

My idea how to make this better.
You can cast a lethal Taboo (you can only cast it on non Covens) on enemies how this works is: The night you cast a Taboo on someone they gain a Powerful defense for that night, but the next night they will be dealt a Powerful Attack to themselves. Your target won't know if someone casted a Taboo on them, unless they were attacked and they would get a message: "Someone attacked you, but a Taboo Master saved your life." or give it the Doctor message if this role isn't powerful enough so a Taboo Master wouldn't be confirmed in the game.

You can also choose to give all OF YOUR COVEN MEMBERS a Powerful Defense for 1 night only - You have only 1 charge of it.

With the necro: You can choose between a Basic Attack which will take immediately affect the night you cast it or a Powerful Attack which will be delayed by 1 night like before, and it no longer gives your target any defense the night you cast it on them and they will be instead role blocked the night you cast a taboo on them. You can still cast your friendly Taboo if you still have it, but if you had used it previously you won't gain any new charges for it.

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:31 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:Meh I kind of feel like this would be a weaker PM, since PM can choose between 3 spells, but this can only one.
Not really, no. PM can heal but not kill who attacks a Coven. The Taboo Master will immediately attack who will choose to kill your chisen Coven member.
Its only objective is to protect Coven, but it has some major flaws.
If an NK attacks any if your Coven, you just kill the NK and your team will be in a disadvantage.
Did I say that the player who attacked the chosen Coven member is dealt with a BASIC attack? Oh, yes I did. Which wont kill the NK.
If an Townie attacks your target and dies by TabooMaster, your coven member will just be confirmed as Coven and hung the next day so it doesn't help at all, only near end game, in early game it is useless.
Oh yeah I just realized this now because of your message...any suggestions on how to change this?

My idea how to make this better.
You can cast a lethal Taboo (you can only cast it on non Covens) on enemies how this works is: The night you cast a Taboo on someone they gain a Powerful defense for that night, but the next night they will be dealt a Powerful Attack to themselves.
Noted.
Your target won't know if someone casted a Taboo on them, unless they were attacked and they would get a message: "Someone attacked you, but a Taboo Master saved your life." or give it the Doctor message if this role isn't powerful enough so a Taboo Master wouldn't be confirmed in the game.
Noted.

You can also choose to give all OF YOUR COVEN MEMBERS a Powerful Defense for 1 night only - You have only 1 charge of it.
Noted.

With the necro: You can choose between a Basic Attack which will take immediately affect the night you cast it or a Powerful Attack which will be delayed by 1 night like before, and it no longer gives your target any defense the night you cast it on them and they will be instead role blocked the night you cast a taboo on them. You can still cast your friendly Taboo if you still have it, but if you had used it previously you won't gain any new charges for it.
Noted.


I have changed the attributes.
Thanks for your feedback!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:23 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
For the first taboo, does the attacker still kill the Coven member when they die? If so, that's not really all that useful since it's just a 1 for 1 trade, and BG is an example of why that's helpful for Town. Now, if the attacker dies but doesn't kill the Coven member. Well the Coven member is dead anyway. If you write who you attack in your will, or even say it the day before to someone confirmed, that Coven member is just toast.

So I'm going to assume this role says something like 'They were killed by a member of the Coven", rather than "They were killed by the Taboo Caster", yes? If you protect someone, and they claim healed, and then die to a Taboo Caster the next night, claiming Doctor is suicide. If they claim healed, die to Coven, and then you claim Doctor, you're still going to be suspicious as all hell. This taboo is just a worse Poisoner attack, since a Poisoner doesn't need to wait to charge up and has the same delayed kill.

This last one is meh, really. It's only for when you need to make sure your Coven lives one more night to get majority, basically. It's going to be used a lot less than a normal heal, and it's probably going to be a lot less useful. There aren't going to be many situations where multiple Coven members are going to die at night unless you use your ability. At least, there wont be many that you will know about or accurately predict and stop.

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:05 pm
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
HereThereEverywhere wrote:For the first taboo, does the attacker still kill the Coven member when they die? If so, that's not really all that useful since it's just a 1 for 1 trade, and BG is an example of why that's helpful for Town. Now, if the attacker dies but doesn't kill the Coven member. Well the Coven member is dead anyway. If you write who you attack in your will, or even say it the day before to someone confirmed, that Coven member is just toast.
No. The chosen Coven member is given a Basic defense and you will deal a basic attack to the attacker.


So I'm going to assume this role says something like 'They were killed by a member of the Coven", rather than "They were killed by the Taboo Caster", yes? If you protect someone, and they claim healed, and then die to a Taboo Caster the next night, claiming Doctor is suicide. If they claim healed, die to Coven, and then you claim Doctor, you're still going to be suspicious as all hell. This taboo is just a worse Poisoner attack, since a Poisoner doesn't need to wait to charge up and has the same delayed kill.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna need to do some tweaking on the lethal taboo. But yes, the kill feed will be "They were killed by a member of the Coven".


This last one is meh, really. It's only for when you need to make sure your Coven lives one more night to get majority, basically. It's going to be used a lot less than a normal heal, and it's probably going to be a lot less useful. There aren't going to be many situations where multiple Coven members are going to die at night unless you use your ability. At least, there wont be many that you will know about or accurately predict and stop.
Hmm.. I'll change some of the attributes for the friendly taboo. I think I know how to buff it a bit more.


Thanks for your feedback!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:56 am
by BasicFourLife
Btw it is not Powerful defense, if you give it to someone else or use an ability to do so.
And it is basic attack?
It should be Attack: Basic, Defense: None

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:18 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:Btw it is not Powerful defense, if you give it to someone else or use an ability to do so.
And it is basic attack?
It should be Attack: Basic, Defense: None


Which part do you mean?

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:23 am
by BasicFourLife
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:ATK: Powerful DEF: Powerful (In Instances)


This part

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:39 pm
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:ATK: Powerful DEF: Powerful (In Instances)


This part


Oh ok.
Changed it.
Thanks!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:58 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
/bump

Since I'm now on vacation,
I need more comments for this role since I'm planning to put this on the TG.

Please give me your honest opinions about this role. Thanks!

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:15 am
by BasicFourLife
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:/bump

Since I'm now on vacation,
I need more comments for this role since I'm planning to put this on the TG.

Please give me your honest opinions about this role. Thanks!

They aren't accepting Coven roles.

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:18 pm
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:/bump

Since I'm now on vacation,
I need more comments for this role since I'm planning to put this on the TG.

Please give me your honest opinions about this role. Thanks!

They aren't accepting Coven roles.


I was just informed. But oh well, I'll just re-bump this when BMG will accept new Coven roles.

Thank you :D

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:21 am
by BasicFourLife
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:/bump

Since I'm now on vacation,
I need more comments for this role since I'm planning to put this on the TG.

Please give me your honest opinions about this role. Thanks!

They aren't accepting Coven roles.


I was just informed. But oh well, I'll just re-bump this when BMG will accept new Coven roles.

Thank you :D

They will not accept for a few years at least. Jesus they can’t even balance 1 role completely in Classic Ranked, talking about a whole new set of roles. Bump this in 2020 or sth

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:15 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
BasicFourLife wrote:
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
oOYuuArtSuiOo wrote:/bump

Since I'm now on vacation,
I need more comments for this role since I'm planning to put this on the TG.

Please give me your honest opinions about this role. Thanks!

They aren't accepting Coven roles.


I was just informed. But oh well, I'll just re-bump this when BMG will accept new Coven roles.

Thank you :D

They will not accept for a few years at least. Jesus they can’t even balance 1 role completely in Classic Ranked, talking about a whole new set of roles. Bump this in 2020 or sth


Guess I'll do just that.

--sed fece--

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:39 am
by Valtsu0
i dont like the "They were killed by a member of the Coven" as every coven has their unique text

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:02 am
by oOYuuArtSuiOo
Valtsu0 wrote:i dont like the "They were killed by a member of the Coven" as every coven has their unique text


I see. I'll change it back to it's default.
Ty for the comment :D

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:06 am
by TheBrighterSkies
I would def rename this role, Taboo Caster sounds kinda weird. Maybe just Caster? Or spellcaster? IDK.

Re: The Taboo Caster (Coven Evil) REWORKED!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 am
by BS4125