Berserker (Neutral Killing)

[Spectre0]

Not quite sure how to balance this.

Ridiculously OP with immunity and ridiculously OP without it.

[Blayzeatron]

some targets don't visit though so it would alot time the kill would rng based since meduim mayor or vet or psychic didnt select anyone

also completely busted if they don't know they are beserked and TP or LO instantly kills the most important role in the game

its defiantly a buff and way to strong

I meant that if the target is a non-visiting role, then they simply die. No other person is selected. As to it being too OP... well sheriffs dont investigate the same person every night. You are just as likely to have them check as sus jester claim. And how is that any different from an SK just attacking the jailor by chance. It means that town has to be a bit more careful what information they give away, cus how are you going to know bg is on jailor if he doesnt say and jailor is unknown.

[Mystoc]

tp is always on jailor or mayor

finding tp isn't that hard you have do process of elimination there usually in 2-3 people tp can be mid to late game its not that hard to pick them

no if you berserk tp whose protecting say mayor

and they dont know they are beserked they will kill the mayor trying to protect him

a role that can make an entire alignment useless is too strong your buff idea makes the role too strong i would Like to here from OP on our feedback

[dyaomaster]

Okay.
1) No, I will not make it kill the target's target without notification. That's already an old idea, and makes killing people almost completely out of your control.

2) "Suicide" by bloodlust is a Basic attack. It can be prevented by a doctor.

3) What parts specifically are OP? (Apart from the KPN)

[Blayzeatron]

Okay.
1) No, I will not make it kill the target's target without notification. That's already an old idea, and makes killing people almost completely out of your control.

Lol, the way you have it right now means the kills are completely out of your control. My way would make the role require skill and would give you control over the kill because you can try to predict who they will attack. I am really puzzled how you think that give you no control when the way it currently is, you literally let someone else choose the kill for you.

[lemonader666]

how does it get a 1.33 kill rate?

[dyaomaster]

how does it get a 1.33 kill rate?

(bumps)

You target someone N1
You target someone N2. N1 target performs 1 kill.
You do nothing N3. N2 target performs 1 kill. N1 target dies.
You target someone N4. N2 target dies.

Lines 2-4 repeat, giving 4 kills every 3 days.

[Mystoc]

this is very similar to siren role you made yours first so not calling you a copy cat

it is just interesting to see how the mechanic of kill someone or die yourself is approached

my role has way more defensive aspects to it but sacrifice KPN because of it with KPN on average of about .5-.75

i like your take on this mechanic too its good one

i would like to see this in the game,

your role doesn't address the weakness of your own berserked people attacking you and revealing you are immune though while mine does do this

[dyaomaster]

If the target attacks any immune, they'll immediately die. I could maybe do a "wipe their will" thing, but that seems slightly overpowered.

[Mystoc]

If the target attacks any immune, they'll immediately die. I could maybe do a "wipe their will" thing, but that seems slightly overpowered.

it is needed in your case it would be OP because your role uses ur ability every night

you would need to change it to only if they attack you the will is erased for any other instance of a failed attack the will stays

there is also the fact someone can announce they will attack while berserkerd incase the will is erased so them having no will is non factor if towns knows who they said they will attack my role also addresses this

-but my solution doesn't really work for this one cause your ability is used every night while mine doesn't
- easing wills for everyone who fails to kill would OP with yours but its fair with mine cause mine only uses the ability every other night while yours is every night

my "berserkerd" people are only forced to kill another on even nights while on odds nights they get to used their real role so it less strong that way

so i don't see an ez way to fix announcing who you will kill counter to berserker though

[dyaomaster]

They're notified the night they're forced to make the decision, so there's no discussion time.
The people my role targets only use their ability once then die, they don't have to kill somebody every night.

Hmm... Forcing a will wipe upon hitting an immune would make Townies want to hit a non-immune in order to get last minute info out. That might actually be helpful.

Also, you use your ability 2 out of every 3 nights.

[Mystoc]

They're notified the night they're forced to make the decision, so there's no discussion time.
The people my role targets only use their ability once then die, they don't have to kill somebody every night.

Hmm... Forcing a will wipe upon hitting an immune would make Townies want to hit a non-immune in order to get last minute info out. That might actually be helpful.

Also, you use your ability 2 out of every 3 nights.

so this is unstoppable? you can kill GF and other NK with this?

they kill and they die no matter what? unless doc heals them?

you should change it to be dealt a basic attack not outright die that way GF and SK dont die

[dyaomaster]

They're notified the night they're forced to make the decision, so there's no discussion time.
The people my role targets only use their ability once then die, they don't have to kill somebody every night.

Hmm... Forcing a will wipe upon hitting an immune would make Townies want to hit a non-immune in order to get last minute info out. That might actually be helpful.

Also, you use your ability 2 out of every 3 nights.

so this is unstoppable? you can kill GF and other NK with this?

they kill and they die no matter what? unless doc heals them?

you should change it to be dealt a basic attack not outright die that way GF and SK dont die

It's a Basic attack, as stated in the OP.

[Mystoc]

The people my role targets only use their ability once then die, they don't have to kill somebody every night.

oh ok your wording implied they are dead no expectations my bad

also mine is every even night not every night but i get the idea of what you meant

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thing i dislike about it is beserked cant choose not kill and die themselves instead it would a nerf to the role for sure but my role lets them do this

if they did this you only get .66 kills a night instead 1.33 but some town might feel they know who an evil is riks killing but with urs it doesn't work

huge difference between my role and yours is mine incentivizes people to choose kill another cause they get to keep living if they do

yours is they are dead no matter what they choice so really there's no choice to choose not kill and die cause the mechanics of your role makes them die anyway

i get that's a key aspect of your role so i get you dont want to change it

if you wanna see my take on the mechanic my siren role is in my signature wont link to another thread from urs thats rude

so on to other part i don't like

the idea of forcing a random kill is bad in my opinion perhaps you choose who you want them to kill if they don't choose with the moon icon this would definitely incentivize people to choose who they want to kill without introducing rng if you didn't choose also THEN it would use rng solution

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it gets 4 kills in 3 nights so 1.33 may be fair or OP

can this role choose out what three nights it wishes to use its ability twice or is there a defined pattern that must be followed?

like ability ability break
or break ability ability
or ability break ability

it would be good to throw off role blockers and on nights you get jailed if there wasn't a pattern

i like the role good use of mechanics would nice to see how OP it is or if it's balanced in TG

also no where does it say you can use the ability 2 out 3 nights

it says this

Inflict a person with Bloodlust every night.

to me that sounds like every night not 2 out of 3

[Seththeking]

I like this role, the only issue I have with it is that if it's able to pick the same target again and again it would feel like a OP escort, make it limited, towards the same person please. Like can only pick the same target once or twice or something

[Mystoc]

seth the person you use this ability on dies the night after you can never select them again to beserk unless they resist your attack (basic defense or higher)

[Seththeking]

Um well I'm pretty sure it says the target can pick the person they kill and if they aren't immune they don't die but the person your target picks does -.-

[Mystoc]

Um well I'm pretty sure it says the target can pick the person they kill and if they aren't immune they don't die but the person your target picks does -.-

they die after they kill the person they want

[dyaomaster]

Made edits:
-Targets who hit immunes have their will wiped.
-Let the Berserker choose who Bloodlust victims will attack if they do not choose themselves.
-Added sample messages.

[Mystoc]

you still don't say anywhere that this role can only kill every 2 out 3 nights

[dyaomaster]

• Upon a person dying to a person inflicted with Bloodlust, you will be forced to wait one night.

[Mystoc]

oh i thought it was do it twice in row then wait a night guess misunderstood it

[dyaomaster]

Still looking for other feedback on the role

[dyaomaster]

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