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Re: Role-Smoker
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:42 pm
by TheNightmareFox
interseting
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:17 pm
by Sirenfal
This goes along the same idea as the juggernaut, it gets more powerful as the game goes on, but it works differently, it is a cool role idea, but I am not sure it will fit in the game.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:18 pm
by cupcakeaj2
lel
Im surprised no one came up with a similar role like juggernaut before the jugg came out
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:49 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
NKs need a good and fast KPN or they're going to be screwed. This having a powerful attack doesn't make up for that. You can kill the Godfather/CL if the CL has the Necronomicon, and you can kill an NE if it's Exe, whereas you can kill the other NEs easily. You can also kill a Survivor. Roles you don't even need to kill, you can accuse the first two in a DN or make a claim.\
Killing neighbors shouldn't happen ever, it's a purely cosmetic choice and RNG where you end up. The slot you are randomly put at in the start of the game should not determine whether you're going to die or not.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:58 pm
by SkyW
I feel like instead of the neighbor attack, it could be a crusader style rampage where 1 random visitor dies? (Minus you)
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:03 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
Again, random is luck, not skill. In a skill-based game like ToS, we can't have abilities that rely on luck. Crusader is a good example of bad randomness, it's nowhere near as useful as a Bodyguard. It can kill multiple evils but if even one Townie visits the same target it can screw up tremendously.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:17 pm
by SkyW
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Again, random is luck, not skill. In a skill-based game like ToS, we can't have abilities that rely on luck. Crusader is a good example of bad randomness, it's nowhere near as useful as a Bodyguard. It can kill multiple evils but if even one Townie visits the same target it can screw up tremendously.
I was trying to push it in the right direction, that isn't seriously what I thought they would change it to
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:28 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
Anything random is not the right direction.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:45 pm
by DumbStorm
I mean, I like the idea. But the name 'Smoker' doesn't really work
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:32 pm
by TheNightmareFox
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Again, random is luck, not skill. In a skill-based game like ToS, we can't have abilities that rely on luck. Crusader is a good example of bad randomness, it's nowhere near as useful as a Bodyguard. It can kill multiple evils but if even one Townie visits the same target it can screw up tremendously.
lets face it
crusader is a broken role
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:36 pm
by SkyW
TheNightmareFox wrote:HereThereEverywhere wrote:Again, random is luck, not skill. In a skill-based game like ToS, we can't have abilities that rely on luck. Crusader is a good example of bad randomness, it's nowhere near as useful as a Bodyguard. It can kill multiple evils but if even one Townie visits the same target it can screw up tremendously.
lets face it
crusader is a broken role
Trapper is "Better"
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:53 pm
by cupcakeaj2
HereThereEverywhere wrote:NKs need a good and fast KPN or they're going to be screwed. This having a powerful attack doesn't make up for that. You can kill the Godfather/CL if the CL has the Necronomicon, and you can kill an NE if it's Exe, whereas you can kill the other NEs easily. You can also kill a Survivor. Roles you don't even need to kill, you can accuse the first two in a DN or make a claim.\
Killing neighbors shouldn't happen ever, it's a purely cosmetic choice and RNG where you end up. The slot you are randomly put at in the start of the game should not determine whether you're going to die or not.
Why would u die? If ur their neighbor? I said it skips you.
Also any name suggestions? Poisoner was my first thought but....
-_-
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:56 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Killing neighbors shouldn't happen ever, it's a purely cosmetic choice and RNG where you end up. The slot you are randomly put at in the start of the game should not determine whether you're going to die or not.
I never said "You" as in the Smoker, I mean "You" as in the Town of Salem player. Reread the start of the first sentence. Where you end up and who your neighbors are should never determine who does or doesn't die. I didn't say the Smoker would die, I said people shouldn't have to worry about who their neighbors are.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:08 pm
by cupcakeaj2
Fine.
Changes it to you can pick 2 people.
Possilble names-Gasser, Torturer, Punisher, and Alchemist.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:04 pm
by lemonader666
interesting. We got a unique idea here. But i'm not sure if it's gonna be balanced though, might some changes.
/support
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:06 pm
by cupcakeaj2
#ReplaceThePoisonerWithThis
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:55 pm
by HereThereEverywhere
With all the KPN potential Coven has, their Poisoner is fine.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:57 pm
by cupcakeaj2
Super Bump!
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:00 pm
by lemonader666
What's a super bump?
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:04 pm
by deathcrawl29
This role is just kind of boring. Can you make diferent cigars so they do different things, maybe even cigars that can help someone in a certain way such as bliding the person that would kill them so they can escape. Either way i think this role would very hard to win considering it takes multiple days to kill one townie
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:09 pm
by lemonader666
deathcrawl29 wrote:This role is just kind of boring. Can you make diferent cigars so they do different things, maybe even cigars that can help someone in a certain way such as bliding the person that would kill them so they can escape. Either way i think this role would very hard to win considering it takes multiple days to kill one townie
This is a NK role, it doesn't need a variety of ways to kill.
This role kills faster when the town gets smaller.
The cigar deals a Powerful attack, not Basic.
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:47 pm
by cupcakeaj2
Bump
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:51 pm
by bossay6
hmmm i don't know. it's a good concept i guess? /support
Re: Role-Smoker
Posted:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:01 pm
by cupcakeaj2
Idk what to say now. Meh