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Miller (Town Support)
Posted:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:46 pmby BS4125
Miller
Summary -
An inquisitive farmer who spies the town from the mill's window
Alignment -
Town Support
Abilities -
Watch one or two people each night, knowing how many roles visit them
Attributes -
You will know how many roles visited your target(s)
Your target leaving their house will count as a visit
You will know how many mysterious roles visit
Mysterious roles are all roles except Town and NI roles
When you watch two people you will get an accumulation of visits (you won't know how many visited which)
Goal -
Lynch every criminal and evildoer
Investigation Results -
Sheriff: Your target is a member of the Mafia!
Investigator: Undecided
Consigliere: Your target wears ragged clothes caked in flour. They must be the Miller
Messages -
"You have decided to spy on ____ tonight"
"You have decided to spy on ____ and ____ tonight"
You saw {no.} figures visit your target, {no.} of which cloaked in black
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:01 pmby BlazinIce
Needs to be TI
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:03 pmby BS4125
BlazinIce wrote:Needs to be TI
I'm debating that, it doesn't really get information about anyone and isn't that powerful alike Medium so it's in TS for now
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:36 pmby AegonSnow
idk, something just seems kinda meh about it.
Like: mysterious visitors (aka Mafia) = Isn't that what spy does? And spy even does it better.
It's kinda like Orange's role idea Osservatore, which I liked better.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:58 pmby BS4125
Kirize12 wrote:If this is to stay in Town Support make it so it flips Mafia to Sheriff.
Umm, ok but could I have a reason why?
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:04 pmby AegonSnow
Kirize12 wrote:If this is to stay in Town Support make it so it flips Mafia to Sheriff.
Kirize12, this isn't
Mafia:the game.
Miller
A miller is a regular town player except that they come up mafia-aligned when investigated.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:48 pmby BS4125
Kirize12 wrote:I'm not suggesting to make it flip mafia because that's what Vanilla members do.
I'm suggesting to make it flip mafia because it needs some sort of temper, given how it can become very powerful and should stay a great scumclaim.
Ok then, I'll see how it does with it
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:22 pmby AegonSnow
I don't support it, because there's something out there that already does the job it does.
And ESPECIALLY no support for having a town member appear as Mafia to the Sheriff.
No. No. No.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:41 pmby HereThereEverywhere
AegonSnow wrote:HereThereEverywhere wrote:AegonSnow wrote:/nosupport
Either give reasoning, or don't say anything.
I don't support it, because there's something out there that already does the job it does.
And ESPECIALLY no support for having a town member appear as Mafia to the Sheriff.
No. No. No.
You're still not giving actual reasoning. Why is having a Townie appear as Mafia bad? What does this job?
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:51 pmby AegonSnow
Kirize12 wrote:I'm not suggesting to make it flip mafia because that's what Vanilla members do.
I'm suggesting to make it flip mafia because it needs some sort of temper, given how it can become very powerful and should stay a great scumclaim.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:You're still not giving actual reasoning. Why is having a Townie appear as Mafia bad? What does this job?
I might be mistaken. I thought what Kirize was saying was to have it as a Town role, but appear as Mafia.
She might have meant just make it a Mafia role instead of a Town one.
And if it is a Mafia role,
you should check this out:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=46508
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:57 pmby HereThereEverywhere
Kirize means it should be a Town role that shows up as Mafia, because a Mafia member that gets interrogated can claim Miller.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:35 amby BS4125
Miller is a really easy claim, easier than Lookout and Medium in some cases, and it's too strong to be a TS without it appearing as Mafia to the Sheriff.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:44 amby BS4125
AegonSnow wrote:idk, something just seems kinda meh about it.
Like: mysterious visitors (aka Mafia) = Isn't that what spy does? And spy even does it better.
It's kinda like Orange's role idea Osservatore, which I liked better.
Mysterious visitors = Mafioso, MD, MS, NE, NB, NC
Spy visitors = Just Mafia
Spy's ability is limited to only Mafia which is bad because without Mafia it's power's gone (a hard counter to Mafia) but the Miller's visitors cover a broader range
Also the Osservatore is a Mafia role which has no abilities linking to the Miller and Spy is toxic anyway
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:54 pmby BS4125
JimmyCasket wrote:why does it show as mafia to sheriff?
Because the role gets little information easily so it needs another drawback, plus it can be a good claim for the Mafia
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:18 pmby Mystoc
i tried to understand it but i don't
give a day by day example please how it would work
thanks
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:54 pmby BS4125
Mystoc wrote:i tried to understand it but i don't
give a day by day example please how it would work
thanks
You receive how many visitors visit your target and how many visitors visit that aren't Town or NI
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:56 pmby BS4125
JGaming08 wrote:Change it to TI, that's what this role does, investigate.
Also, why does it flip Mafia? A role should only flip Mafia unless they are or framed, if you wanna give it a powerful drawback give it bad invest results like Miller, Doctor, Serial Killer, Potion Master, Disguiser results.
It seems quite underpowered in my opinion, its a worse lookout that can spy on more than one person at once. Can you tell me why this is a powerful role?
BS4125 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:Needs to be TI
I'm debating that, it doesn't really get information about anyone and isn't that powerful alike Medium so it's in TS for now
Kirize12 wrote:I'm not suggesting to make it flip mafia because that's what Vanilla members do.
I'm suggesting to make it flip mafia because it needs some sort of temper, given how it can become very powerful and should stay a great scumclaim.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:32 pmby lemonader666
I suggest changing this to Town Investigative because it's a reworked lookout but gives mafia a better scumclaim.
This role is great for mafia scumclaim.
/support.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 amby SlightlyOfficiant
Pro: - Know the amount of roles that visited, See how many of the roles are evil.
Cons: - If the target leaves the house it could mess things up. Comes up as Mafia to sheriff.
Best Case Scenario: You target 2 mediums and all evil roles in the game visit them.
Worst Case Scenario: The sheriff finds you night 1 and gets you lynched day 2.
Overall Impression: Other then the comes up as mafia to sheriff this looks good to me.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:21 pmby Mystoc
SlightlyOfficiant wrote:Pro: - Know the amount of roles that visited, See how many of the roles are evil.
Cons: - If the target leaves the house it could mess things up. Comes up as Mafia to sheriff.
Best Case Scenario: You target 2 mediums and all evil roles in the game visit them.
Worst Case Scenario: The sheriff finds you night 1 and gets you lynched day 2.
Overall Impression: Other then the comes up as mafia to sheriff this looks good to me.
i mean i think this person is pretty active since they a mod but isn't this a necro bump by almost a year?
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:27 pmby ManateeDude
Mystoc wrote:SlightlyOfficiant wrote:Pro: - Know the amount of roles that visited, See how many of the roles are evil.
Cons: - If the target leaves the house it could mess things up. Comes up as Mafia to sheriff.
Best Case Scenario: You target 2 mediums and all evil roles in the game visit them.
Worst Case Scenario: The sheriff finds you night 1 and gets you lynched day 2.
Overall Impression: Other then the comes up as mafia to sheriff this looks good to me.
i mean i think this person is pretty active since they a mod but isn't this a necro bump by almost a year?
He's not a mod. But shit that necro though.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:32 pmby Mystoc
He's not a mod. But shit that necro though.
say that again
https://imgur.com/a/TLW5jcU
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:40 pmby ManateeDude
I thought you were talking bout SlightlyOfficiant.
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:42 pmby Mystoc
i mean i ment the OP is prolly active since hes a mod and since hes active so much so it might be ok to necro bump
the other way around makes no sense slightly can necro bump cause he's a mod so he's allowed to break the rules? why would i ever say that lol
gotta read the context and the way that makes the most sense
Re: Miller (Town Support)
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Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:32 amby BS4125
The necrobump wasn’t a necrobump because it sparked discussion concerning the topic at hand. With that sorted, please could you stop going offtopic or take this conversation elsewhere, thanks. Also thanks for telling me I’m a Mod, I didn’t realise before.