Infiltrator - Another NC

[Seruth]

Knowing you exist and never trusting any TI claim ever is a pretty big jump for town.

Lonely infiltrator = win.

No, it isn't like that.
Let's say you know that there is an infiltrator, NK is dead, and you know the last mafia. Would you try to hang it?
No. You would look at all TI claims, and try to lynch the most sus. And then try to eliminate mafia if it isn't too late.
If you don't investigate, you don't have that problem- which is much worse than having the problem to find a good fake will.

[SchivitToLivit]

Knowing you exist and never trusting any TI claim ever is a pretty big jump for town.

Lonely infiltrator = win.

No, it isn't like that.
Let's say you know that there is an infiltrator, NK is dead, and you know the last mafia. Would you try to hang it?
No. You would look at all TI claims, and try to lynch the most sus. And then try to eliminate mafia if it isn't too late.
If you don't investigate, you don't have that problem- which is much worse than having the problem to find a good fake will.

Earlier Spectre0 said claiming TI was a bad idea, likely for that very reason. He advised trying to be more subtle with your sharing of information.

[L1b3ralCuck]

So you are night immune but have no direct kill potential? Considering that you only win alone, that means everyone is against you. It seems to be extremely hard to win with/

[Spectre0]

So you are night immune but have no direct kill potential? Considering that you only win alone, that means everyone is against you. It seems to be extremely hard to win with/

You have several easy claims available, and only need to somewhat push the game's conclusion. It'd be played similarly to a survivor, with more interaction with town.

[L1b3ralCuck]

So you are night immune but have no direct kill potential? Considering that you only win alone, that means everyone is against you. It seems to be extremely hard to win with/

You have several easy claims available, and only need to somewhat push the game's conclusion. It'd be played similarly to a survivor, with more interaction with town.

Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out! I like this role a lot because it's very unique. However, if the Sheriff can find him, won't you be interrogated by the Sheriff as soon as someone claims you are an infiltrator? Because they know that they were visited by one, and to earn the town's trust you must share your investigation results, so whoever you investigated knows for sure that you are an infiltrator, and can claim it and get you investigated by the Sheriff!

[Spectre0]

So you are night immune but have no direct kill potential? Considering that you only win alone, that means everyone is against you. It seems to be extremely hard to win with/

You have several easy claims available, and only need to somewhat push the game's conclusion. It'd be played similarly to a survivor, with more interaction with town.

Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out! I like this role a lot because it's very unique. However, if the Sheriff can find him, won't you be interrogated by the Sheriff as soon as someone claims you are an infiltrator? Because they know that they were visited by one, and to earn the town's trust you must share your investigation results, so whoever you investigated knows for sure that you are an infiltrator, and can claim it and get you investigated by the Sheriff!

Yes, which is why you should be cautious when claiming TI or moving to lynch someone directly.

[sh99er]

with the invest or consig results, i think it should be consig results. Just my opinion

[ThatUnoSky]

Spectre, you are one of my top favorite role suggesters.

I am really happy to see the Autocrat made to work in Town of Salem. Here is my 3 cents:
Change the message to: "Your place was ransacked by the Infiltrator!" or something simpler.
Have it give the Alignment/Sub-alignment (Town Investigative, Mafia Killing). This gives the Infiltrator some power, but not enough to immediately pass an investigator.
Give it one vest. It is a powerful role, but the Infiltrator can become a target of Mafia/SK and this will allow them to live one night longer.

[Spectre0]

Guess who's back

Back again

Infiltrator's back.

Tell your friends.

[HereThereEverywhere]

Friends
Come quickly friends
The Infiltrator is back
Wait I don't have friends.

So this isn't unique, right? Or if it is I somehow missed that but I don't think I did.
I'm not sure how I feel about the role, when I first read it I was like "Holy Hell what's wrong with this moron?" but now I'm leaning more towards thinking it might be a neat role. Idk.

[Spectre0]

Friends
Come quickly friends
The Infiltrator is back
Wait I don't have friends.

So this isn't unique, right? Or if it is I somehow missed that but I don't think I did.
I'm not sure how I feel about the role, when I first read it I was like "Holy Hell what's wrong with this moron?" but now I'm leaning more towards thinking it might be a neat role. Idk.

Yeah, it should probably be unique, since more than one infiltrator would be absolute hell.

What don't you like?

[HereThereEverywhere]

Well my original problem was that it literally just took the win right out from under the Town with no warning, but I kind of see how it's not completely out of the blue. When I originally read over the role I wasn't really paying attention, so that's why I originally didn't like it.

[Guiorgy]

The role is cancer and should be deleted! <-- this is me being Spectre0.

If seriously though, the idea itself is cool, but feels like it harms mafia and NK a little too much. Let's say he helps town lynch an SK and mafioso, its basically over for mafia, so the game becomes town vs infiltrator.

[joefischerxxx]

hmm... not a bad concept. Probably would be NE.

[BisonPuncher]

hmm... not a bad concept. Probably would be NE.

How? It's a chaotic role that doesn't even have NE win conditions.

[Guiorgy]

hmm... not a bad concept. Probably would be NE.

How? It's a chaotic role that doesn't even have NE win conditions.

It clearly can't be an NE, but if we ignore the chaos in this role, NB? But NC fits the best...

[sh99er]

hmm... not a bad concept. Probably would be NE.

How? It's a chaotic role that doesn't even have NE win conditions.

It clearly can't be an NE, but if we ignore the chaos in this role, NB? But NC fits the best...

Cant be NE as it "wins" with town and dosnt win with all evil
Cant be NB as it cant win with all
Isnt NK for obv matters
Only neutral left is NC. And NC is made for roles that dont fit anywhere else

[mooneylupin]

i love it. i really wish i had these ideas

[khakha1036]

Does vigilante died when he killed the Infiltrator

[Guiorgy]

Does vigilante died when he killed the Infiltrator

He isn't Town so why would he?

[Bodhrak]

Does vigilante died when he killed the Infiltrator

The infiltrator is night-immune.

[Spectre0]

The role is cancer and should be deleted! <-- this is me being Spectre0.

If seriously though, the idea itself is cool, but feels like it harms mafia and NK a little too much. Let's say he helps town lynch an SK and mafioso, its basically over for mafia, so the game becomes town vs infiltrator.

If you take such drastic action against mafioso and SK, you'll be lynched for being an obvious Infiltrator.

[BlazinIce]

wait are you saying you'll be lynched for being too pro-town

[HereThereEverywhere]

wait are you saying you'll be lynched for being too pro-town

Have you never seen a Consig get lynched for being too pushy to lynch an NK? That's what Spectre means(I assume)

[Spectre0]

Have you never seen a Consig get lynched for being too pushy to lynch an NK? That's what Spectre means(I assume)