Spectre0 wrote:Unfortunately, it's possible that my role won't be put into the testing grounds solely because of the incompetence of at least SOME TG mods.
I won't go into specifics, and I won't link the place where this happened because it's an unrelated conversation I don't want derailed.
The essentials are this: I pm'd kirize12 ("TG representative") asking for this role to be considered for testing grounds. She responded with 1. a BLATANT bias against conversion roles (Literally implying that it's impossible for a conversion role to be balanced) and 2. Feedback which showed she didn't read the role. She didn't know what the Awakening was, for Christ's sake.
I pm'd the executive of TG asking for both consideration and complaining about the incompetency of kirzie12. Here's hoping Kirzie12 doesn't reflect the intelligence of the other TG staff.
Spectre0 wrote:Unfortunately, it's possible that my role won't be put into the testing grounds solely because of the incompetence of at least SOME TG mods.
I won't go into specifics, and I won't link the place where this happened because it's an unrelated conversation I don't want derailed.
The essentials are this: I pm'd A certain mod ("TG representative") asking for this role to be considered for testing grounds. She responded with 1. a BLATANT bias against conversion roles (Literally implying that it's impossible for a conversion role to be balanced) and 2. Feedback which showed she didn't read the role. She didn't know what the Awakening was, for Christ's sake.
I pm'd the executive of TG asking for both consideration and complaining about the incompetency of that mod. Here's hoping this mod doesn't reflect the intelligence of the other TG staff.
Kirize12 wrote:First of all, HE.
Second of all, me not liking a role doesn't mean it's going to get insta-excluded.
If you'd look at the TG Roles for November thread, there's a bunch of roles I don't like, all of which are on the poll.
BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.
Spectre0 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.
Fair point. However, I think being able to bring back 5 people at once and then make it possible to revert back to the original role is ridiculously chaotic and unbalanced.
Sandyduck wrote:Don't tell Spectre0
Here is the link to the argument that Spectre0 and Kirize12.
http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=54618
BlazinIce wrote:Spectre0 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.
Fair point. However, I think being able to bring back 5 people at once and then make it possible to revert back to the original role is ridiculously chaotic and unbalanced.
Sorry, I forgot to say after the soulkeeper dies, they still die too.
BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)
Crazyzombie168 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)
Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.
RosalinasGalaxy wrote:Crazyzombie168 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)
Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.
If either of you read the original post thoroughly, you'd know Spectre don't die if the Soulkeeper dies.
BlazinIce wrote:RosalinasGalaxy wrote:Crazyzombie168 wrote:BlazinIce wrote:I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)
Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.
If either of you read the original post thoroughly, you'd know Spectre don't die if the Soulkeeper dies.
I know, but my suggestion suggests they do
alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. While conversion is, in my opinion, the second worst aspect that a role can have (hardcounters are first), this role does it correctly. The largest problem with conversion roles is that they are chaotic, with this role, everyone knows that the revived people are Spectres, so a Soulkeeper would not revive unless the Spectres would give it majority. I would probably vote for it if you put it on the Testing Grounds poll. /support
Ralozey wrote:We have decided to deny your role by the following reasons:
Rule 3:
Your role idea should not take control of another role. This can also go hand-in-hand with Requirement #1.
Rule 4:
Keep Town and Neutral role ideas as the "uninformed majority" and Mafia role ideas as the "informed minority". To be more specific, the Town shouldn't know other Town members right off the bat and the Mafia should know all of their members.
If you have got any questions regarding your denial please state so.
dmsc1999 wrote:This is a very good idea despite the rest of these derps giving bad reviews. I would definitely vote yes
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