My first role idea: Soulkeeper

[Crazyzombie168]

I like the concept of this role, very interesting. Adds some spice to the game. Plus the dead can give info to the Soulkeeper as they all prepare for the awakening.

[Spectre0]

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[Crazyzombie168]

Unfortunately, it's possible that my role won't be put into the testing grounds solely because of the incompetence of at least SOME TG mods.

I won't go into specifics, and I won't link the place where this happened because it's an unrelated conversation I don't want derailed.

The essentials are this: I pm'd kirize12 ("TG representative") asking for this role to be considered for testing grounds. She responded with 1. a BLATANT bias against conversion roles (Literally implying that it's impossible for a conversion role to be balanced) and 2. Feedback which showed she didn't read the role. She didn't know what the Awakening was, for Christ's sake.

I pm'd the executive of TG asking for both consideration and complaining about the incompetency of kirzie12. Here's hoping Kirzie12 doesn't reflect the intelligence of the other TG staff.

I don't really consider this a conversion role. I don't think its impossible for them for conversion roles to be balanced either. However if the conversion role in question is town I think it will just be OP.

[RosalinasGalaxy]

Unfortunately, it's possible that my role won't be put into the testing grounds solely because of the incompetence of at least SOME TG mods.

I won't go into specifics, and I won't link the place where this happened because it's an unrelated conversation I don't want derailed.

The essentials are this: I pm'd A certain mod ("TG representative") asking for this role to be considered for testing grounds. She responded with 1. a BLATANT bias against conversion roles (Literally implying that it's impossible for a conversion role to be balanced) and 2. Feedback which showed she didn't read the role. She didn't know what the Awakening was, for Christ's sake.

I pm'd the executive of TG asking for both consideration and complaining about the incompetency of that mod. Here's hoping this mod doesn't reflect the intelligence of the other TG staff.

When I wanted my Farmer role to be in testing grounds, I had to PM all the staff for Testing Grounds. That way, they can all work together to figure out things.
But the only issue I have is that yes, some of the Testing Ground staff are not very...welcoming.

[RosalinasGalaxy]

First of all, HE.

Second of all, me not liking a role doesn't mean it's going to get insta-excluded.

If you'd look at the TG Roles for November thread, there's a bunch of roles I don't like, all of which are on the poll.

Oh.




But still. If you really called someone out like the way he says it happened, I think you should try to be more welcoming about it instead of down-pouring on their parade.

[Spectre0]

I made a mistake posting about this on my post, and I don't want any conflict spilling into here. That was my bad. I was very angry at the time, but I acted out of line and immaturely.

I'm deleting any of my posts related to the manner. I urge everyone who commented on it to do the same, and only continue this in PM's if you must.

Thanks, guys.

[BlazinIce]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)

[Spectre0]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.

Fair point. However, I think being able to bring back 5 people at once and then make it possible to revert back to the original role is ridiculously chaotic and unbalanced. Especially since if the Soulkeeper steals, say, evil-only souls, it will be impossible to kill SK without screwing yourself anyway.

The problem is that ANY role can be screwed over undeservingly by another person. If your mafia killer is AFK, everyone in mafia loses. If your godfather is stupid and attacks someone who the BG will protect, the mafioso IS screwed. If the mayor isn't good at scumreading, this DOES hurt every townie. Mafia sometimes will (and I've been on the receiving end of this) kill the witch end-game, just 'cause they can. Obviously this is different - most of those issues lie within the same faction - but I think that a role shouldn't be excluded for the sole reason that it makes it possible to make someone who deserves to win lose. There's a lot of roles which cause and suffer from that issue.

[Sandyduck]

Spoiler:

Unfortunately, it's possible that my role won't be put into the testing grounds solely because of the incompetence of at least SOME TG mods.

I won't go into specifics, and I won't link the place where this happened because it's an unrelated conversation I don't want derailed.

The essentials are this: I pm'd A certain mod ("TG representative") asking for this role to be considered for testing grounds. She responded with 1. a BLATANT bias against conversion roles (Literally implying that it's impossible for a conversion role to be balanced) and 2. Feedback which showed she didn't read the role. She didn't know what the Awakening was, for Christ's sake.

I pm'd the executive of TG asking for both consideration and complaining about the incompetency of that mod. Here's hoping this mod doesn't reflect the intelligence of the other TG staff.

When I wanted my Farmer role to be in testing grounds, I had to PM all the staff for Testing Grounds. That way, they can all work together to figure out things.
But the only issue I have is that yes, some of the Testing Ground staff are not very...welcoming.

Don't tell Spectre0
Here is the link to the argument that Spectre0 and Kirize12.
http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=54618

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[BlazinIce]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.

Fair point. However, I think being able to bring back 5 people at once and then make it possible to revert back to the original role is ridiculously chaotic and unbalanced.

Sorry, I forgot to say after the soulkeeper dies, they still die too.

[Spectre0]

Don't tell Spectre0
Here is the link to the argument that Spectre0 and Kirize12.
http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=54618

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[RosalinasGalaxy]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role.

Fair point. However, I think being able to bring back 5 people at once and then make it possible to revert back to the original role is ridiculously chaotic and unbalanced.

Sorry, I forgot to say after the soulkeeper dies, they still die too.

Hold on a minute...
I thought it was agreed on earlier that if the Soulkeeper dies with revived Spectre, the Spectre still remain even if their headmaster dies.
Usually it's going to be obvious who the soulkeeper is after revival because once their confirmed, everyone is going to look around for the person who hasn't claimed a role yet.

If the Soulkeeper dies with revived Spectre, I think it's best to leave the Spectre to help vote off what they can so that the Soulkeeper and Spectre still have chances at victory.

[Spectre0]

I'm not sure why I changed that, Rosalina, since I agree with you. I'm sure there was a reason.

Regardless, I changed it back.

[Villagerlover]

I really like this!
But I have one question.


What happens if it's alone(no spectre collection/all are dead), and happens to stand to the near end? Do they win for simply being alive? Or must they be lynched?
What exactly must the Soulkeeper do to win?

Since it only wins with itself/spectre/survivors/witches, but has night immunity, I feel like it would definitely need to be lynched.

But at the same time, it's going to be tedious if it happens to be with itself, and an opposing role.
The way I see it, it would have to end in either a draw, or for some reason, other factions overtake a Soulkeeper?


I'm not too sure. Please elaborate.

[Crazyzombie168]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)

Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.

[RosalinasGalaxy]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)

Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.

If either of you read the original post thoroughly, you'd know Spectre don't die if the Soulkeeper dies.

[BlazinIce]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)

Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.

If either of you read the original post thoroughly, you'd know Spectre don't die if the Soulkeeper dies.

I know, but my suggestion suggests they do

[RosalinasGalaxy]

I just have one problem.
Let's say, in a match, there's an amazing jailor who learns tons of information, and executed the NK, and 2 mafia. Then he eventually gets killed, and the soulkeeper revived him. Then the soulkeeper dies, and the jailor, now a spectre, dies too. Finally, town wins. But the jailor who played amazingly loses. He doesn't deserve that. Maybe after the soulkeeper dies, the spectre turns itself into its original role (And dies)

Same thing can happen with Vampire, IMO this won't change anything. Plus it gives the Spectres a reason to throw away their goal.

If either of you read the original post thoroughly, you'd know Spectre don't die if the Soulkeeper dies.

I know, but my suggestion suggests they do

Why do you believe this?
It will only ruin the game for others rather than help them. I see the Soulkeeper as having a second chance at redemption despite your "loss".

And making Spectre die when their leader dies is going to take that away.

[Sandyduck]

Spoiler:

I have a great idea for this role:
This role should be a Mafia Support role however it can only keep a soul for one night.
It can use their ability in the day to say who to talk to. Also, using this, the target will see who the Soulkeeper talks as as 'Medium' so the Soulkeeper can get information from townies by tricking them that they are Medium. The target cannot communicate to the other dead people because it can confirm there is no Medium really there. Hope this helps and you take this into account

Nah. Too big of a change.

Yeah. I feel like this isn't a good role for the mafia.
You shouldn't create a whole new team of mafia.


Were here to support a neutral chaos role. Not an absurdly different mafia role.

BS4125 Why don't you make this into a role?

[Spectre0]

Just a small bump, since I would like some feedback and fresh eyes on this idea.

[alex1234321]

I like this role. While conversion is, in my opinion, the second worst aspect that a role can have (hardcounters are first), this role does it correctly. The largest problem with conversion roles is that they are chaotic, with this role, everyone knows that the revived people are Spectres, so a Soulkeeper would not revive unless the Spectres would give it majority. I would probably vote for it if you put it on the Testing Grounds poll. /support

[RosalinasGalaxy]

I like this role. While conversion is, in my opinion, the second worst aspect that a role can have (hardcounters are first), this role does it correctly. The largest problem with conversion roles is that they are chaotic, with this role, everyone knows that the revived people are Spectres, so a Soulkeeper would not revive unless the Spectres would give it majority. I would probably vote for it if you put it on the Testing Grounds poll. /support

Actually, I wanna vote for it right now. Is it on the poll?

[Spectre0]

We have decided to deny your role by the following reasons:

Rule 3:
Your role idea should not take control of another role. This can also go hand-in-hand with Requirement #1.

Rule 4:
Keep Town and Neutral role ideas as the "uninformed majority" and Mafia role ideas as the "informed minority". To be more specific, the Town shouldn't know other Town members right off the bat and the Mafia should know all of their members.

If you have got any questions regarding your denial please state so.

[Spectre0]

(Last bump. I don't want this idea to be forgotten before I have time to get feedback and try for TG again)

[Spectre0]

This is a very good idea despite the rest of these derps giving bad reviews. I would definitely vote yes

Honestly, the only bad reviews were from Testing Grounds staff, and their issues with my role made no sense to me. Mostly because my role breaks their Town of Salem role rules, which themselves are way too limiting.

That's part of the reason i'm pretty pissed about being shot down like that. I know this role is good, and almost everyone agrees that it's good. However, it can't be permitted in the game because the Soulkeeper knows who the Spectres are, and is therefore a bad idea (And that's really all the justification I got. I'm still confused about that).