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It's perfect! Set it up, ASAP!
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 600+ views]<UPDATED>

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:22 am

BNinja wrote:The goal is kind of iffy. "Be the last one standing, with your loved one"? What if they belong to a faction?

Then their faction wins, as long as they're left alive, right? But you still have to kill everyone else in their faction.
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:25 am

charliesierra9991 wrote:So, Yandere wins with everyone? Like a survivor?

Well, TECHNICALLY, they CAN win with "anyone," but that's only because the person they're obsessed with can be from any faction.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 600+ views]<UPDATED>

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:30 am

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charliesierra9991 wrote:So, Yandere wins with everyone? Like a survivor?


I don't think you understood. Yandere only wins with the lover. I think it goes like this: if the lover was a mafia, then the yandere would win with the mafia and any affiliated roles with it (except consort). If the Yandere was a townie, then the yandere would win with the town and any affiliated roles (except escort). HOWEVER, if that person died, Yandere goes into a rage, kills the killer(s), commits suicide, and loses.

Okay, now with that being said, let's get into criticism.

The option to kill is just like any other neutral killing role: they don't HAVE to, but they have the option to do so. However, what I like about this role is that you have to be VERY careful as to who you kill. You know who your loved one is, but you have to know who that loved one is affiliated with. Thus, you can't just go around killing everyone: you have to be calculative. You have to know who the opposing side is and kill them. However, if you can win ONLY with your loved one, then that seems somewhat underpowered, especially as yandere has too many risks awaiting them. That means that if the loved one is a townie, and the townie wins, they can just sit back and let the yandere win with the town (most likely). Same thing goes for the mafia for a maf win. Things do get complicated with the neutrals.

So about ignoring immunity, it's interesting. Only vesting, healing, and jailing (!) can protect. I can't say much about that, other than add the fact that a jailer can protect.

Interesting question (and forgive me if someone already addressed this): what if your loved one IS a consort or escort? What happens if that person visits you? I would assume that the roleblock would happen.

About the special attribute: it's unique, and it's interesting. Not much to say.

Investigative results: Not bad. I do slightly question the sheriff result, but it's still fine.

Notifications: I would not add the last one ([loved one] is loved by a yandere). It would make things rather obvious.

Overall: it has great potential, and I would love to see this in the game. Just consider what I asked and what I suggested. 4/5.

Answer to your question: I specified in the description that "An escort/consort who is not the loved one will be killed. That implies that if the loved one visits, they will still be roleblocked.

And that complaint you had about the notifications was actually someone else's idea, they thought the Yandere was overpowered. I didn't really like that detail to begin with. I'll remove it.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 700+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:52 am

Why do you people keep voting on the one option that's LITERALLY NOT EVEN AN OPTION?!
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 750+ views]

Postby Scientedfic » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:52 pm

TheMajesticSammie wrote:Why do you people keep voting on the one option that's LITERALLY NOT EVEN AN OPTION?!


Because why not?
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 750+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:02 pm

Okay one question. Is Yandere A unique role? If not would two or more Yanderes have the same Senpai?
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 750+ views]

Postby GodFocker » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:42 pm

It's good, but it's too... "odd" I don't think it would fit the game whatsoever, with all the roles that they are.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 750+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:54 pm

EvilKingRNiC wrote:Okay one question. Is Yandere A unique role? If not would two or more Yanderes have the same Senpai?

The Yandere is a unique role, yes. More than one Yandere would put the game off balance; it's just too chaotic. (Hence the "Neutral Chaos" alignment)
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 800+ views]

Postby Crazyzombie168 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:45 pm

Hmmm, different from others has you have to be the last one standing. I have nothing else to say because they are plenty of roles like this. Not exactly the same, just like them. I have made my own Yandere role once and it was different from this, other than winning with the loved ones. I could share the abilities of my one if you like.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 800+ views]

Postby davesport12 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:01 am

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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 800+ views]

Postby BS4125 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:03 am

davesport12 wrote:Notice me Senpai!!!?

If this role is added that's all anyone will hear :D :lol:

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Oooooooo Mister Power over here!

And would you look at that, I was on the forums longer then you.

But overall the role for this topic needs work, I mean it's so bad people would rather
get off topic lol.

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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 800+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:04 pm

Crazyzombie168 wrote:Hmmm, different from others has you have to be the last one standing. I have nothing else to say because they are plenty of roles like this. Not exactly the same, just like them. I have made my own Yandere role once and it was different from this, other than winning with the loved ones. I could share the abilities of my one if you like.

I don't think it would matter, people seem to like this version.
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:05 pm

davesport12 wrote:Notice me Senpai!!!?

You have been noticed, davesport-Kohai.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:22 pm

The sh*t posting Parasite is here.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 750+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:23 pm

TheMajesticSammie wrote:
EvilKingRNiC wrote:Okay one question. Is Yandere A unique role? If not would two or more Yanderes have the same Senpai?

The Yandere is a unique role, yes. More than one Yandere would put the game off balance; it's just too chaotic. (Hence the "Neutral Chaos" alignment)



By the way thanks for answering this question.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby GodFocker » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:09 pm

EvilKingRNiC wrote:The sh*t posting Parasite is here.


You are going way to far, no one thinks that of you. NOONE. You cant just assume someone thinks that! No one, at all, ever has ever tried to be rude to you. Don't be like that, ever.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 600+ views]<UPDATED>

Postby charliesierra9991 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:33 pm

Scientedfic wrote:
charliesierra9991 wrote:So, Yandere wins with everyone? Like a survivor?


I don't think you understood. Yandere only wins with the lover. I think it goes like this: if the lover was a mafia, then the yandere would win with the mafia and any affiliated roles with it (except consort). If the Yandere was a townie, then the yandere would win with the town and any affiliated roles (except escort). HOWEVER, if that person died, Yandere goes into a rage, kills the killer(s), commits suicide, and loses.

Okay, now with that being said, let's get into criticism.

The option to kill is just like any other neutral killing role: they don't HAVE to, but they have the option to do so. However, what I like about this role is that you have to be VERY careful as to who you kill. You know who your loved one is, but you have to know who that loved one is affiliated with. Thus, you can't just go around killing everyone: you have to be calculative. You have to know who the opposing side is and kill them. However, if you can win ONLY with your loved one, then that seems somewhat underpowered, especially as yandere has too many risks awaiting them. That means that if the loved one is a townie, and the townie wins, they can just sit back and let the yandere win with the town (most likely). Same thing goes for the mafia for a maf win. Things do get complicated with the neutrals.

So about ignoring immunity, it's interesting. Only vesting, healing, and jailing (!) can protect. I can't say much about that, other than add the fact that a jailer can protect.

Interesting question (and forgive me if someone already addressed this): what if your loved one IS a consort or escort? What happens if that person visits you? I would assume that the roleblock would happen.

About the special attribute: it's unique, and it's interesting. Not much to say.

Investigative results: Not bad. I do slightly question the sheriff result, but it's still fine.

Notifications: I would not add the last one ([loved one] is loved by a yandere). It would make things rather obvious.

Overall: it has great potential, and I would love to see this in the game. Just consider what I asked and what I suggested. 4/5.


Thanks for the explanation, as you said...it is a great role and has great potential, not too OP but not too nerfed either
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby BPsycho2 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:59 pm

I don't like it.

If you lose, three people die for no reason.
"Protective" NC that's literally a better winrate version of SK.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:11 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:I don't like it.

If you lose, three people die for no reason.
"Protective" NC that's literally a better winrate version of SK.


I don't know what comes between Chaos and Killing. (I've made that mistake between Evil and Killing so I can't say much.)
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:50 am

I think this role would be pretty badass if you made a counter part for it. (A role called Rival)
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby BlazinIce » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:29 am

EvilKingRNiC wrote:I think this role would be pretty badass if you made a counter part for it. (A role called Rival)

Like a hardcounter?
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:30 am

BlazinIce wrote:
EvilKingRNiC wrote:I think this role would be pretty badass if you made a counter part for it. (A role called Rival)

Like a hardcounter?


Exactly.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby Kirize12 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:38 am

Hardcounters are terrible for game balance.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

This matters - educate yourself.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 850+ views]

Postby EvilKingRNiC » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:45 am

They can be but it would be a Yandere's job to Protect her Senpai and Kill the rival along with anyone who gets their senpai lynched or killed.
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Postby Kirize12 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:50 am

Hardcounters should not exist in a balanced game.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

This matters - educate yourself.
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