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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 400+ views]

Postby davesport12 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:54 am

Shit its too powerful.
Good side is many mafia get killed :D
Since mafia tend to vote guilty.
Town can too. This role can create mass confusion.
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:14 am

davesport12 wrote:Shit its too powerful.
Good side is many mafia get killed :D
Since mafia tend to vote guilty.
Town can too. This role can create mass confusion.

Did you read the whole thing? It would be difficult to win as a Yandere, because if your loved one dies, you lose and kill yourself. But if you're too overprotective in the daytime and reveal that you're a Yandere, people will just lynch you, and again, you lose. Even when she goes on her rampage, it's only after she loses.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 400+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:33 am

If anyone has any ideas on how to improve this role, please speak up!
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:01 pm

You guys are really quiet...
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:02 pm

It's a lover that can kill
Not better than a lover
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:08 pm

BlazinIce wrote:It's a lover that can kill
Not better than a lover

You didn't read the whole thing. I can tell. You'd like it if you'd ignore the fact that it's a role whose lore centers around obsessing over another player. I put a lot of time into this, please give it an ACTUAL review, not a quick skim and instant hate. I tried removing the emotional obsession- it becomes a crappy role without the "love" involved. Go through the entire thread and read all the comments.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:12 pm

TheMajesticSammie wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:It's a lover that can kill
Not better than a lover

You didn't read the whole thing. I can tell. You'd like it if you'd ignore the fact that it's a role whose lore centers around obsessing over another player. I put a lot of time into this, please give it an ACTUAL review, not a quick skim and instant hate. I tried removing the emotional obsession- it becomes a crappy role without the "love" involved. Go through the entire thread and read all the comments.

I did
Also greatly buffs mafia, because it usually kills town. It's like a Serial Killer that wins with a player decided by RNG. Don't want it, don't need it. Buffed reverse exe.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:28 pm

BlazinIce wrote:
TheMajesticSammie wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:It's a lover that can kill
Not better than a lover

You didn't read the whole thing. I can tell. You'd like it if you'd ignore the fact that it's a role whose lore centers around obsessing over another player. I put a lot of time into this, please give it an ACTUAL review, not a quick skim and instant hate. I tried removing the emotional obsession- it becomes a crappy role without the "love" involved. Go through the entire thread and read all the comments.

I did
Also greatly buffs mafia, because it usually kills town. It's like a Serial Killer that wins with a player decided by RNG. Don't want it, don't need it. Buffed reverse exe.

But it can also wipe out the mafia- if the mafia doesn't know a townie is protected by a Yandere (usually near the beginning of the game) and they successfully get that person lynched, the entire mafia could easily get wiped out, all in one go. (Maybe not completely, I had people vote on it and the general consensus is that the Yandere only kills 2/3 of the guilty voters. Even so, that's a significant number.)

And for your information, people DO want it, which you would know if I hadn't reset the polls every day. -_- But I have to know what people think SOMEHOW. You're only one of two people who have had ANY real problem with this role, and that's only because you're stereotyping, like a complete douche bag. The only reason you don't like this role is because it has to do with "love." But no. This isn't about love. It's about obsession. Which you could never understand.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:29 pm

No a lover is a role that only wins with another person, decided by RNG. It's a type of role. Live to see __ win.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:36 pm

TheMajesticSammie wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:
TheMajesticSammie wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:It's a lover that can kill
Not better than a lover

You didn't read the whole thing. I can tell. You'd like it if you'd ignore the fact that it's a role whose lore centers around obsessing over another player. I put a lot of time into this, please give it an ACTUAL review, not a quick skim and instant hate. I tried removing the emotional obsession- it becomes a crappy role without the "love" involved. Go through the entire thread and read all the comments.

I did
Also greatly buffs mafia, because it usually kills town. It's like a Serial Killer that wins with a player decided by RNG. Don't want it, don't need it. Buffed reverse exe.

But it can also wipe out the mafia- if the mafia doesn't know a townie is protected by a Yandere (usually near the beginning of the game) and they successfully get that person lynched, the entire mafia could easily get wiped out, all in one go. (Maybe not completely, I had people vote on it and the general consensus is that the Yandere only kills 2/3 of the guilty voters. Even so, that's a significant number.)

And for your information, people DO want it, which you would know if I hadn't reset the polls every day. -_- But I have to know what people think SOMEHOW. You're only one of two people who have had ANY real problem with this role, and that's only because you're stereotyping, like a complete douche bag. The only reason you don't like this role is because it has to do with "love." But no. This isn't about love. It's about obsession. Which you could never understand.


Here's an example:
(Forgot to mention the minimum kills in a rampage is 3)
At the end of the game, there are 3 unknown mafia, 2 townies, and one undetected Yandere. Under normal circumstances, the mafia would simply vote off all the non-mafia. But say one of the townies was loved by the Yandere. If the mafia all voted guilty on the loved one, not knowing they were being protected by a Yandere, all of the mafia would die in one night, leaving only a single townie left. (Unless the mafia got lucky and shot them the night they died. If not, they would shoot the Yandere, who is night immune.)
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:37 pm

The yandere would be known. It kills each night
You shouldn't punish the mafia for doing their job. How about a message at the beginning of the game that says, "__ is loved"
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:40 pm

BlazinIce wrote:The yandere would be known. It kills each night

Unless, of course, the Yandere chooses not to kill. Which can happen. Not to mention, the mafia at the end likely wouldn't know which person is the loved one, or which one is the Yandere. They would just have to get lucky. Their BEST chances of winning at that point are:
1. Get lucky and lynch the Yandere
2. Get lucky and not lynch the loved one, then get lucky and kill the loved one at night, leaving 2 mafia alive, and having the Yandere commit suicide
3. Get lucky and not lynch the loved one, even if they shoot the Yandere who is night immune, they could still get lucky and lynch the Yandere the next day.
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Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:44 pm

Why would the Yandere not kill
It's an SK that wins with an extra person, and gives that person buffed jester abilities
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:46 pm

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BlazinIce wrote:The yandere would be known. It kills each night

Unless, of course, the Yandere chooses not to kill. Which can happen. Not to mention, the mafia at the end likely wouldn't know which person is the loved one, or which one is the Yandere. They would just have to get lucky. Their BEST chances of winning at that point are:
1. Get lucky and lynch the Yandere
2. Get lucky and not lynch the loved one, then get lucky and kill the loved one at night, leaving 2 mafia alive, and having the Yandere commit suicide
3. Get lucky and not lynch the loved one, even if they shoot the Yandere who is night immune, they could still get lucky and lynch the Yandere the next day.

I'm VERY thorough with my reasoning. You didn't think I'd make a role without thinking, did you? I've already thought of every scenario, of every possible outcome given a role with these attributes. I didn't get into UC Davis by being an idiot.

And I don't care WHAT you call it. People like it, and it makes the game more interesting.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:49 pm

BlazinIce wrote:Why would the Yandere not kill
It's an SK that wins with an extra person, and gives that person buffed jester abilities

Yanderes aren't necessarily serial killers- nor are they complete lovers. They're stealthy, and have one goal: guarantee that the person they're obsessed with loves them, by eliminating all the competition. That doesn't necessarily mean they HAVE to kill at night- they could just as easily get the job done by voting people off. Of course, they won't have COMPLETE control, given that if an escort/consort visits them, they'll kill them, but generally, the Yandere role would involve a dense amount of strategic thinking, as would any other role.
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Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:52 pm

Doesn't change the fact that it's a SK that wins with another person
Eliminate the Town
Eliminate other NKs
Eliminate the Mafia
That's like saying
"Why kill as WW? It confirms the NK slot and you could easily vote people on the stand."
Pushing for a bad lynch causes suspicion on people.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:19 pm

BlazinIce wrote:Doesn't change the fact that it's a SK that wins with another person
Eliminate the Town
Eliminate other NKs
Eliminate the Mafia
That's like saying
"Why kill as WW? It confirms the NK slot and you could easily vote people on the stand."
Pushing for a bad lynch causes suspicion on people.

You don't HAVE to play any certain way as a Yandere. (And for the record, WW can't just choose not to kill. If they don't target anyone, they'll be forced to kill whoever visits them.)
It's all about strategy. Some methods will work in some cases, other methods will work in other cases. In most cases, you could just act like a neutral benign player, and just do what seems to be most popular in town, except for when the one the Yandere is obsessed with is being voted against, in which case, they'll have to defend them somehow.
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Postby BlazinIce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:28 pm

I agree, you don't have to play any way as yandere.
The best way is of a Serial Killer.
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Re: Yandere (Neutral Chaos) [Trending: 450+ views]

Postby TheMajesticSammie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:47 pm

BlazinIce wrote:The yandere would be known. It kills each night
You shouldn't punish the mafia for doing their job. How about a message at the beginning of the game that says, "__ is loved"

Good idea, actually. I'll list that as an option to consider.
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:14 pm

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Postby jessewehavetocook » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:15 am

I like the idea itself, but it kinda feels like this role might be kind of unbalanced and hard to win.
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Postby TheMajesticSammie » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:03 pm

jessewehavetocook wrote:I like the idea itself, but it kinda feels like this role might be kind of unbalanced and hard to win.

Well, we don't want it to be easy for a killer, do we?
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Postby BNinja » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:51 pm

The goal is kind of iffy. "Be the last one standing, with your loved one"? What if they belong to a faction?
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Postby charliesierra9991 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:35 pm

So, Yandere wins with everyone? Like a survivor?
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Postby Scientedfic » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:32 pm

charliesierra9991 wrote:So, Yandere wins with everyone? Like a survivor?


I don't think you understood. Yandere only wins with the lover. I think it goes like this: if the lover was a mafia, then the yandere would win with the mafia and any affiliated roles with it (except consort). If the Yandere was a townie, then the yandere would win with the town and any affiliated roles (except escort). HOWEVER, if that person died, Yandere goes into a rage, kills the killer(s), commits suicide, and loses.

Okay, now with that being said, let's get into criticism.

The option to kill is just like any other neutral killing role: they don't HAVE to, but they have the option to do so. However, what I like about this role is that you have to be VERY careful as to who you kill. You know who your loved one is, but you have to know who that loved one is affiliated with. Thus, you can't just go around killing everyone: you have to be calculative. You have to know who the opposing side is and kill them. However, if you can win ONLY with your loved one, then that seems somewhat underpowered, especially as yandere has too many risks awaiting them. That means that if the loved one is a townie, and the townie wins, they can just sit back and let the yandere win with the town (most likely). Same thing goes for the mafia for a maf win. Things do get complicated with the neutrals.

So about ignoring immunity, it's interesting. Only vesting, healing, and jailing (!) can protect. I can't say much about that, other than add the fact that a jailer can protect.

Interesting question (and forgive me if someone already addressed this): what if your loved one IS a consort or escort? What happens if that person visits you? I would assume that the roleblock would happen.

About the special attribute: it's unique, and it's interesting. Not much to say.

Investigative results: Not bad. I do slightly question the sheriff result, but it's still fine.

Notifications: I would not add the last one ([loved one] is loved by a yandere). It would make things rather obvious.

Overall: it has great potential, and I would love to see this in the game. Just consider what I asked and what I suggested. 4/5.
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