Tax Collector(Neutral Benign)

[JazzMusicStops]

How about the investigation results would be:




Your target takes charge. They could be a Mayor, Godfather, Vampire Hunter or a Tax Collector.

The investigator results are being changed, so that wouldn't work

[Jerme]

If we go for Oranges Investigation results, I suggest: Your target stalks people. They must be a Lookout, Forger, Amnesiac, or Tax collector.
Alternatively you could go for gathers information.
What do you think?

Do not ignore my post Jammy :c

[JazzMusicStops]

If we go for Oranges Investigation results, I suggest: Your target stalks people. They must be a Lookout, Forger, Amnesiac, or Tax collector.
Alternatively you could go for gathers information.
What do you think?

Do not ignore my post Jammy :c

Sowwy
I think they could work, but IDK

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

Better idea for the Bankruptcy achievement:

Visit yourself.

Nice

[alex1234321]

This role seems very similar to the Arsonist strategy wise, because both roles have to try to target people who will probably live longer. I like this idea. /support

[JazzMusicStops]

Suggestion: Give up.

Not only is this pointless to add, but it's insanely hard to win as.

How would you improve it?

[GeorgeT]

I personally think that the taxes should be set on the number of townies left in the town.
i.e 15-9 townies = 2 taxes
8-0 townies = 1 tax
If that doesn't work, then it should be an interval between nights.
i.e N1-1 Vote*
N2- 2 Votes*
N3- 1 Vote*
N4 - 2 Votes*
*=Tax(es)

One last system, (not a great one) decrease tax by 1 for [number(s)] nights/days.

[cmitc1]

I do not mind roles that are more difficult to win with, and we need some more true NB roles. since amne is just a new town member d3

If i had to buff it, maybe let it choose 2 people on full moons?

[BPsycho2]

I've looked at this again, and it's really good.

You have your own personal little goal

But if push comes to shove, you can by surviving to the end of the game kind of like an NC.

You win by killing off all who oppose you
But you still win by collecting tax from everyone.

Very good.

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BUT the method is done incorrectly for winning. In order to keep fakeclaims, this can be done.

Post-Win: Lose night immunity, lose ability to visit. Still conversion immune.

At 3people left, your vote does not count. If someone attempted to convert you, you may vote anyone besides the attempted converter's faction.

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Potential Investigator results

Your target stalks people. They are either a Lookout, Tax Collector, Forger, or Witch.

Your target is a nuisance. They are either an Escort, Transporter, Tax Collector, or Consort.

Your target gathers information. They are either an Investigator, Tax Collector, or Consigliere.

Your target values currency. They are either a Vigilante, Tax Collector, or Mafioso

Your target was hurt by Magic. They are either a Retributionist, Vampire Hunter, Amnesiac, or Tax Collector

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Mechanics

Before victory: Wins only with itself. Not even survivors, witches, exes, amnes, or OTHER TAX COLLECTORS.
Only wins with itself. Must kill EVERYONE ELSE.

Ex: IF only a Tax Collector and (UNTAXED) Witch remain, the Witch wins and the Collector loses.

Ex2: IF only a tax collector and a (UNTAXED) Jester remain, the game ends in a draw.

Ex3: IF every single player dies, even the tax collector, the tax collector wins.

Ex4: IF two untaxed tax collectors remain: the game ends in a draw.

If the Tax Collector wins, even by being the last player alive, they DO NOT steal the win from any other roles that have won already. (Jester, Executioner, etc)

After victory: Wins with everyone.

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Achievements to be added in

DO NOT ADD AN ACHIEVEMENT ABOUT WINNING WITHOUT TAXING
(Winning with a singular person achievements assume that you taxed the player(s) because they have to be taxed for you to win)

Job's done: Win 5 games
Suit and Tie: Win 10 games
IRS: Win 25 games
Greedy: Win by being the last player alive
Remember to pay your taxes: Win alone with an Amnesiac who didn't remember a role
You're not special: Win alone with a Witch
That wasn't so hard: Win alone with a Survivor
Blood Money: Win with the Vampires
Aristocracy: Win with the Mafia
Dirty Dollars: Win with Serial Killer(s)
Monstrous Moolah: Win with the Werewolf
No excuses: Win alone with a Jester (who did not win)
Almost don't want it: Win alone with a Jester who was lynched
I'll ignore that for a little extra: Win alone with an Executioner
Just Protocol: Win alone with a Doctor

[JazzMusicStops]

BUT the method is done incorrectly for winning. In order to keep fakeclaims, this can be done.

Post-Win: Lose night immunity, lose ability to visit. Still conversion immune.

At 3people left, your vote does not count. If someone attempted to convert you, you may vote anyone besides the attempted converter's faction.

Fakeclaims aren't a problem because scum shouldn't fakeclaim NB

Potential Investigator results

Your target stalks people. They are either a Lookout, Tax Collector, Forger, or Witch.

Your target is a nuisance. They are either an Escort, Transporter, Tax Collector, or Consort.

Your target gathers information. They are either an Investigator, Tax Collector, or Consigliere.

Your target values currency. They are either a Vigilante, Tax Collector, or Mafioso

Your target was hurt by Magic. They are either a Retributionist, Vampire Hunter, Amnesiac, or Tax Collector

I like those, I'll bear them in mind

Mechanics

Before victory: Wins only with itself. Not even survivors, witches, exes, amnes, or OTHER TAX COLLECTORS.
Only wins with itself. Must kill EVERYONE ELSE.

Ex: IF only a Tax Collector and (UNTAXED) Witch remain, the Witch wins and the Collector loses.

Ex2: IF only a tax collector and a (UNTAXED) Jester remain, the game ends in a draw.

Ex3: IF every single player dies, even the tax collector, the tax collector wins.

Ex4: IF two untaxed tax collectors remain: the game ends in a draw.

If the Tax Collector wins, even by being the last player alive, they DO NOT steal the win from any other roles that have won already. (Jester, Executioner, etc)

After victory: Wins with everyone.

That's already how it works, but I'll add this to the OP just in case

Achievements to be added in

DO NOT ADD AN ACHIEVEMENT ABOUT WINNING WITHOUT TAXING
(Winning with a singular person achievements assume that you taxed the player(s) because they have to be taxed for you to win)

Job's done: Win 5 games
Suit and Tie: Win 10 games
IRS: Win 25 games
Greedy: Win by being the last player alive
Remember to pay your taxes: Win alone with an Amnesiac who didn't remember a role
You're not special: Win alone with a Witch
That wasn't so hard: Win alone with a Survivor
Blood Money: Win with the Vampires
Aristocracy: Win with the Mafia
Dirty Dollars: Win with Serial Killer(s)
Monstrous Moolah: Win with the Werewolf
No excuses: Win alone with a Jester (who did not win)
Almost don't want it: Win alone with a Jester who was lynched
I'll ignore that for a little extra: Win alone with an Executioner
Just Protocol: Win alone with a Doctor

I'll put these in too, thanks

[Technetium]

I really like this role.

Achievement: Money to Burn: Win with the Arsonist

[JazzMusicStops]

I really like this role.

Achievement: Money to Burn: Win with the Arsonist

That's already in the OP under the name "Insurance Fire"

[Technetium]

That must be why I didn't see it in the new list there

[ExcaliburEXE]

For an investigator it could say your taget seeks justice could be sheriff, ret, exe, or Tax Collector

[BPsycho2]

BUT the method is done incorrectly for winning. In order to keep fakeclaims, this can be done.

Post-Win: Lose night immunity, lose ability to visit. Still conversion immune.

At 3people left, your vote does not count. If someone attempted to convert you, you may vote anyone besides the attempted converter's faction.

Fakeclaims aren't a problem because scum shouldn't fakeclaim NB Okay, makes sense. That could be a last resort, however.. I mean besides, It's better to have as many fake claims as possible, right?

Potential Investigator results

Your target stalks people. They are either a Lookout, Tax Collector, Forger, or Witch.

Your target is a nuisance. They are either an Escort, Transporter, Tax Collector, or Consort. Careful: Causes Tax Collector to claim Tax Collector

Your target gathers information. They are either an Investigator, Tax Collector, or Consigliere. Careful:Causes Tax Collector to claim Tax Collector

Your target values currency. They are either a Vigilante, Tax Collector, or Mafioso

Your target was hurt by Magic. They are either a Retributionist, Vampire Hunter, Amnesiac, or Tax Collector Tax Collector can claim VH here with little to know trouble if investigated, since he causes no immediate threat. Only problem is that he can be mistaken for an Amnesiac. This one is definitely the best result.

I like those, I'll bear them in mind

Mechanics

Before victory: Wins only with itself. Not even survivors, witches, exes, amnes, or OTHER TAX COLLECTORS.
Only wins with itself. Must kill EVERYONE ELSE.

Ex: IF only a Tax Collector and (UNTAXED) Witch remain, the Witch wins and the Collector loses.

Ex2: IF only a tax collector and a (UNTAXED) Jester remain, the game ends in a draw.

Ex3: IF every single player dies, even the tax collector, the tax collector wins.

Ex4: IF two untaxed tax collectors remain: the game ends in a draw.

If the Tax Collector wins, even by being the last player alive, they DO NOT steal the win from any other roles that have won already. (Jester, Executioner, etc)

After victory: Wins with everyone.

That's already how it works, but I'll add this to the OP just in case Thank you.

Achievements to be added in

DO NOT ADD AN ACHIEVEMENT ABOUT WINNING WITHOUT TAXING
(Winning with a singular person achievements assume that you taxed the player(s) because they have to be taxed for you to win)

Job's done: Win 5 games
Suit and Tie: Win 10 games
IRS: Win 25 games
Greedy: Win by being the last player alive
Remember to pay your taxes: Win alone with an Amnesiac who didn't remember a role
You're not special: Win alone with a Witch
That wasn't so hard: Win alone with a Survivor
Blood Money: Win with the Vampires
Aristocracy: Win with the Mafia
Dirty Dollars: Win with Serial Killer(s)
Monstrous Moolah: Win with the Werewolf
No excuses: Win alone with a Jester (who did not win)
Almost don't want it: Win alone with a Jester who was lynched
I'll ignore that for a little extra: Win alone with an Executioner
Just Protocol: Win alone with a Doctor

I'll put these in too, thanks Welcome. Can't think of anything else right now, I'll let you know.

[Cenas4life]

I like this idea. It would affect gameplay (somewhat), and would be fun to play as, but not too hard to win as and not too easy to win as either. As for the invest results, I honestly don't know what it could be grouped with. Maybe something like, "Your target likes to hastle people. They could be a investigator, consigliere, or tax collector!" I don't know how well that would work though. Overall good role though, so /Support

[gamer0]

Q1: I said I dislike the role and the concept: for the concept: you have to collect money from everyone? the arsonist seems better than that. And why do you have to die when you collect everyone's money? That's just so weird. for the role: who dislikes the concept, but not the role, aren't they the same thing?
Q2: I said no. You'd know why if you read the reasoning above.

[JazzMusicStops]

Q1: I said I dislike the role and the concept: for the concept: you have to collect money from everyone? the arsonist seems better than that. And why do you have to die when you collect everyone's money? That's just so weird. for the role: who dislikes the concept, but not the role, aren't they the same thing?
Q2: I said no. You'd know why if you read the reasoning above.

You don't have to die
You just leave town, which is dying with different flavour, to avoid kingmaker scenarios like what happens with survivor

[Alblaka]

So...
It's an Survivor with unlimited vests who can confirm himself and has an additional win condition.
I can see where you were going with this, but I don't think it would work out too well. It's a survivor who has to correctly predict who is murdered and who not, and who needs the game to last preferably long. That's hard. And even if he can confirm himself, chances are he will still be lynched for the same reasons as survivor.

Maybe make the tax collection do something (i.e. roleblock), and then make his condition to have collected a number of taxes. This makes him a more active role, and potentially one desired by town (in the reverse concept of 'if he RB'd a lot of town, lets keep him so he RB's mafia next).

[JazzMusicStops]

So...
It's an Survivor with unlimited vests who can confirm himself and has an additional win condition.

No because you don't have to live until the end of the game
It's a Neutral Benign role that has night immunity and a win condition

I can see where you were going with this, but I don't think it would work out too well. It's a survivor who has to correctly predict who is murdered and who not, and who needs the game to last preferably long. That's hard. And even if he can confirm himself, chances are he will still be lynched for the same reasons as survivor.

1. It's still not a survivor
2. You need to manipulate people into lynching those you haven't visited and keeping alive those you have, it requires skill, not just the game lasting a long time
3. I don't need to balance my role around tactics, I need to balance around the game itself, also you could just claim Town anyway

Maybe make the tax collection do something (i.e. roleblock), and then make his condition to have collected a number of taxes. This makes him a more active role, and potentially one desired by town (in the reverse concept of 'if he RB'd a lot of town, lets keep him so he RB's mafia next).

1. It doesn't matter if he's "desired" or not
2. "Visit X people" is a dull and kinda easy wincon whereas it's current one is challenging and requires more skill than clicking a button X amount of times

[Spectre0]

This role has literally no impact on the game at all.

And that's bad.

[JazzMusicStops]

This role has literally no impact on the game at all.

And that's bad.

Except it can, with this great invention called "talking to people"
I literally said this in my previous post but I guess you didn't bother to look at the replies

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2. You need to manipulate people into lynching those you haven't visited and keeping alive those you have, it requires skill, not just the game lasting a long time
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It has more of an impact on the game than Survivor where all you do is claim Day 1 and hope not to die