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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:01 pm
by simabean
Mace8937 wrote:I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?

You set it up, you should go with the majority. Otherwise the poll is meaningless.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:09 pm
by simabean
Kirize12 wrote:
simabean wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?

You set it up, you should go with the majority. Otherwise the poll is meaningless.

Screw the poll, trust in the kitten! (and balance)

Yeah, balance, by listening to the poll, and trusting the Werewolf instead.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:16 pm
by BPsycho2
Forget what I said earlier.

I'm turning over a new leaf.

Both the Witch, and Politician need autovests, but don't make them "Scum Autovests"

Just write this on the Vigilante "You can immune pierce the Witch, and the Politician"

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:40 pm
by Mace8937
BPsycho2 wrote:Forget what I said earlier.

I'm turning over a new leaf.

Both the Witch, and Politician need autovests, but don't make them "Scum Autovests"

Just write this on the Vigilante "You can immune pierce the Witch, and the Politician"


Wouldn't that be the same thing as a Scum Autovest? It can still be pierced by town, but not by scum? (But WW still does)

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:46 pm
by BPsycho2
Yes, it is the EXACT same thing, but there's no reason to have to code the Classist Vest when you can just give them one unit of Automatic Versatile Evasion Super Technology (Auto V.E.S.T)

Just give it to them, and buff the Vig to pierce.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:04 pm
by Mace8937
BPsycho2 wrote:Yes, it is the EXACT same thing, but there's no reason to have to code the Classist Vest when you can just give them one unit of Automatic Versatile Evasion Super Technology (Auto V.E.S.T)

Just give it to them, and buff the Vig to pierce.


I guess that seems fine, but should I include that only Vig and WW can pierce it in Attributes?

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:08 pm
by BPsycho2
Definitely.

Don't forget the Arsonist.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:10 pm
by Mace8937
BPsycho2 wrote:Definitely.

Don't forget the Arsonist.


:roll: Can't forget that.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:14 pm
by BPsycho2
No, Sir/Ma'am.


I'm just a bit worried that vote stealing takes away from scumreading.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:21 pm
by Mace8937
BPsycho2 wrote:No, Sir/Ma'am.


I'm just a bit worried that vote stealing takes away from scumreading.


I'm a guy.

it's up to the player to be able to scumread.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:24 pm
by Mace8937
Kirize12 wrote:Don't let Arsonist pierce Witch/Politician autovests!

Listen, here is the difference between regular autovests and scum autovests:
Regulars cannot be pierced by vigilantes, but can be pierced by Arsonist's and roles that pierce night immunity.
Scum autovests cannot be pierced by any role unless they are town.

It's clear which one is more effective for anti-town NE's.


I guess that makes sense.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:25 pm
by simabean
If you want an auto-vest, just make it a normal one, like the BG/Survivor one, which is pierced by WW and Arso, since it's night immunity.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:32 pm
by simabean
In my opinion, a role that already has a power shouldn't get vests. Much less a auto-vest. Survivors get vests because it's there sole ability. BG because they are TP. Witch has mega-useful power, and can confirm to evils. Politician could MAYBE have one vest, but it should be manual.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 pm
by Mace8937
simabean wrote:In my opinion, a role that already has a power shouldn't get vests. Much less a auto-vest. Survivors get vests because it's there sole ability. BG because they are TP. Witch has mega-useful power, and can confirm to evils. Politician could MAYBE have one vest, but it should be manual.


Manually press a button to put on a vest, AND steal someone's vote?
It would be too confusing to know which button does which :|

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 pm
by simabean
Simple: Make self-target vest.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:36 pm
by Mace8937
simabean wrote:Simple: Make self-target vest.


It shouldn't have a manual vest as a NE, that's for TP who protect people otherwise.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:37 pm
by simabean
Then why do you want it to have protection?

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:34 pm
by BPsycho2
Kirize12 wrote:
simabean wrote:Then why do you want it to have protection?

Because it needs some?



I don't understand why it wouldn't need protection against it's own friends.

Town has protection against it's own friends, just a less good way

Vig kills self
Jailor can't kill.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:41 pm
by BPsycho2
Mafia don't know if the Witch is their friend.

Either way, needs protection.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:17 pm
by simabean
Kirize12 wrote:
simabean wrote:Then why do you want it to have protection?

Because it needs some?

This is basically turning the role into Evil Survivor+. You get survivor abilities, and commandeer votes.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:21 pm
by simabean
Witch manages.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:26 pm
by BPsycho2
It has a Witch Wincon, right?

So, I don't understand the issue.

Still needs protection.

Also, Witches have the same deal. THEY need protection.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:06 am
by s1rr0
I actually really enjoy this role concept and can see it working in the game. Glad I came across this!

Definitely in favor of it being night immune and Neutral Evil.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:28 pm
by s1rr0
Kirize12 wrote:No, not night immunity. Scum autovest at most.

Or yes, that. Either way it needs some sort of protection or it'll be screwed over like the Witch.

Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:16 am
by BPsycho2
It needs one automatic vesting system at least. It's unique, so night immunity can be argued.

(Once again, just buff vig to pierce)