Politician (Neutral Evil)

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Vote if you think this should be added to the game

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:02 pm

kakesh wrote:I love this. Fits into NE quite well I'd think. Don't think it should be night immune.

It doesn't. Only until it's attacked the first time.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby kakesh » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:21 pm

Eh, I voted on your poll against the autovest. I'm really not a fan of the idea. The rest of it is fantastic. I love novel mechanics.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby BPsycho2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:23 pm

Should be NE Witch goal like it is now.

Vote stealing is too powerful

Unique, and screw vests. Immunity.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:57 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Should be NE Witch goal like it is now.

Vote stealing is too powerful

Unique, and screw vests. Immunity.

Stealing votes is interesting, and not too powerful. As the players shrink, the power increases. But stealing votes is a good power.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:22 am

Removed scum autovest since it has been outvoted in the poll.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:18 pm

Mace8937 wrote:Removed scum autovest since it has been outvoted in the poll.

But it needs some protection ;_;
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Does a Witch need protection?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:51 pm

simabean wrote:Does a Witch need protection?

Yes.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:59 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
simabean wrote:Does a Witch need protection?

Yes.

Correct answer: Witch is fine as is, and so is this role.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:00 pm

I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:01 pm

Mace8937 wrote:I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?

You set it up, you should go with the majority. Otherwise the poll is meaningless.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:04 pm

Every anti-NE role needs some sort of protection. Witch is paper-thin attack wise and giving it a scum autovest not only makes it more of a threat, since it can no longer be random killed, but boosts witch win rates which is needed. Witch is not fine as is, it needs a scum autovest and so does this.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:05 pm

simabean wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?

You set it up, you should go with the majority. Otherwise the poll is meaningless.

Screw the poll, trust in the kitten! (and balance)
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Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:09 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
simabean wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:I'm debating with my alter-ego, (The more logical one) with to listen to the poll or not. :?

You set it up, you should go with the majority. Otherwise the poll is meaningless.

Screw the poll, trust in the kitten! (and balance)

Yeah, balance, by listening to the poll, and trusting the Werewolf instead.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:16 pm

Forget what I said earlier.

I'm turning over a new leaf.

Both the Witch, and Politician need autovests, but don't make them "Scum Autovests"

Just write this on the Vigilante "You can immune pierce the Witch, and the Politician"
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:40 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Forget what I said earlier.

I'm turning over a new leaf.

Both the Witch, and Politician need autovests, but don't make them "Scum Autovests"

Just write this on the Vigilante "You can immune pierce the Witch, and the Politician"


Wouldn't that be the same thing as a Scum Autovest? It can still be pierced by town, but not by scum? (But WW still does)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:46 pm

Yes, it is the EXACT same thing, but there's no reason to have to code the Classist Vest when you can just give them one unit of Automatic Versatile Evasion Super Technology (Auto V.E.S.T)

Just give it to them, and buff the Vig to pierce.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:04 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Yes, it is the EXACT same thing, but there's no reason to have to code the Classist Vest when you can just give them one unit of Automatic Versatile Evasion Super Technology (Auto V.E.S.T)

Just give it to them, and buff the Vig to pierce.


I guess that seems fine, but should I include that only Vig and WW can pierce it in Attributes?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:08 pm

Definitely.

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:10 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Definitely.

Don't forget the Arsonist.


:roll: Can't forget that.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:14 pm

No, Sir/Ma'am.


I'm just a bit worried that vote stealing takes away from scumreading.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:21 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:No, Sir/Ma'am.


I'm just a bit worried that vote stealing takes away from scumreading.


I'm a guy.

it's up to the player to be able to scumread.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:23 pm

Don't let Arsonist pierce Witch/Politician autovests!

Listen, here is the difference between regular autovests and scum autovests:
Regulars cannot be pierced by vigilantes, but can be pierced by Arsonist's and roles that pierce night immunity.
Scum autovests cannot be pierced by any role unless they are town.

It's clear which one is more effective for anti-town NE's.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:24 pm

Kirize12 wrote:Don't let Arsonist pierce Witch/Politician autovests!

Listen, here is the difference between regular autovests and scum autovests:
Regulars cannot be pierced by vigilantes, but can be pierced by Arsonist's and roles that pierce night immunity.
Scum autovests cannot be pierced by any role unless they are town.

It's clear which one is more effective for anti-town NE's.


I guess that makes sense.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby simabean » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:25 pm

If you want an auto-vest, just make it a normal one, like the BG/Survivor one, which is pierced by WW and Arso, since it's night immunity.
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