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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:55 pm

Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:03 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works. You would be effectively stealing your own vote, pointless as that might be.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:36 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:48 pm

Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))

Sure, that's good, I just really feel like it's the right way to do it.

Sorry for not being able to shut up about it :lol:
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:01 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))

Sure, that's good, I just really feel like it's the right way to do it.

Sorry for not being able to shut up about it :lol:

Nah, it's fine.
It was constructive criticism :)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:20 pm

I'm editing the Politician's Investigator results to fit the new 1.5 results.
(Spy/Blackmailer/Jailor/Politician)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby BPsycho2 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:37 pm

Spy, Jailor, Blackmailer, Politician

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:39 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Spy, Jailor, Blackmailer, Politician

BMG did the order wrong this time around.

Why is that the order?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Ultragamershiko » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:08 pm

This role is excellent! It can really save the maf and is very similar to the witch. Remember, witch wants to kill town as well so don't feel like the victory conditions make this role more like a mafia member
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby JPHero16 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:29 am

But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cenas4life » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:18 am

JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:39 pm

Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cenas4life » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:49 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.


True, but when I see witch when it is usually with the mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:54 pm

Cenas4life wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.


True, but when I see witch when it is usually with the mafia.


Witch usually chooses to side with Mafia because they have the highest winrate beside Town.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby JeffColwin » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:04 am

This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:04 am

JeffColwin wrote:This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works


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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:08 pm

JeffColwin wrote:This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works

I am not changing Politician to any type of Mafia. It's Neutral Evil. And that's where it will stay.
I am not adding the blackmailing part. Blackmailer's already a role, and we don't need one with the ability to get 2 votes.
Also, you stated that if he said that his vote is useless because he was bribed. People can easily fake this.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby MaskedPokerFace » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:02 pm

i think you rename it as "Dictator"
kill someone to get his vote.
if you reach 4 votes than town will know that you are dictator.
it is a suggestion ;)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:10 pm

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cenas4life » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:29 pm

MaskedPokerFace wrote:i think you rename it as "Dictator"
kill someone to get his vote.
if you reach 4 votes than town will know that you are dictator.
it is a suggestion ;)


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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby MaskedPokerFace » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:19 pm

Cenas4life wrote:
MaskedPokerFace wrote:i think you rename it as "Dictator"
kill someone to get his vote.
if you reach 4 votes than town will know that you are dictator.
it is a suggestion ;)


Please tell me why you thought this was a good idea.


"Attributes: The select player can't vote that day, and you have complete control over their voting." that sentence is meaningless for evil one
and role is "Neutral Evil".All politicians are-evils in world?
if you are evil role you have to kill..Whats that? is Evil Politician "vote blocker"? :P
if you want to make a political against mayor You need 4 votes :D
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:20 pm

MaskedPokerFace wrote:
Cenas4life wrote:
MaskedPokerFace wrote:i think you rename it as "Dictator"
kill someone to get his vote.
if you reach 4 votes than town will know that you are dictator.
it is a suggestion ;)


Please tell me why you thought this was a good idea.


"Attributes: The select player can't vote that day, and you have complete control over their voting." that sentence is meaningless for evil one
and role is "Neutral Evil".All politicians are-evils in world?
if you are evil role you have to kill..Whats that? is Evil Politician "vote blocker"? :P
if you want to make a political against mayor You need 4 votes :D
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby MaskedPokerFace » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:23 pm

Politician is good idea
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby SaturnWolfly » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:34 pm

There has to be a limit to this power for example....since you bride someone to vote up someone u want to vote up, surely the player have no power against you. But the fact that they have an advantage on voting someone they want, there is a price for it. A politician WILL GIVE UP SOMETHING IMPORTANT to get the vote. A bride is a trade is it not? A price on getting a vote or two, but giving up something in return. This can limit the power and make a hard time for this role, I don't know what to give up on, but surely you will think of something or someone else can. :D
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby BPsycho2 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:39 pm

SaturnWolfly wrote:There has to be a limit to this power for example....since you bride someone to vote up someone u want to vote up, surely the player have no power against you. But the fact that they have an advantage on voting someone they want, there is a price for it. A politician WILL GIVE UP SOMETHING IMPORTANT to get the vote. A bride is a trade is it not? A price on getting a vote or two, but giving up something in return. This can limit the power and make a hard time for this role, I don't know what to give up on, but surely you will think of something or someone else can. :D



No, he shouldn't give anything up.

SaturnWolfly wrote:a bride is a trade is it not

a bride is a trade is it not
a bride is a trade is it not

the spelling makes it sound so awful
what the actual fuck



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