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Kikigiri wrote:I suggested this exact role a while ago. It's still a good idea, though.

I would change three things:

First, I'd remove the limit that if you die, your resurrected puppet will die as well. It just adds unnecessary complexity and would be frustrating for the person you resurrect. Remember this fact. The Mafia wouldn't have to protect the Necromancer if this were true if his target didn't die with him. He's NOT a revived framer. He's just the Necromancer's puppet, whose purpose in life is to serve the Necromancer, and if he fails, he will perish.

Second, I'd make it so the Necromancer wins if (and only if) they person they resurrected wins, whether the Necromancer survives to the end or not. This serves a number of purposes. In general, I feel that "you must survive to win" mechanics are bad because death is often fairly random (the game encourages night killers to pick unpredictably), so it's better to give the Necromancer the ability to win with another faction even after death. It also eliminates the danger of Necromancers being kingmakers outside of their decision of who to resurrect -- if you don't have this rule, a Necromancer could bring back a Mafia member, then decide to side with the Werewolf later on. I don't feel that that's good for the game. Also, making it so your decision of who to resurrect means you're choosing a side seems more interesting to me. once again, The Necromancer isn't supposed to join the Mafia, he simply revives his puppet. He SHOULD join the Mafia, but he doesn't have to.

(It'd also lead to some interesting situations. If you think the Town will suspect a Necromancer, you can resurrect a Jester and win like that.)

With these two things in place, I'd remove the one-shot night immunity. It'd be unnecessary if the Necromancer could win with whoever they resurrected even after dying.

Mroz4k wrote:If anything, Id be opened to Janitor/Necro/Retri result, with Medium getting paired up with Witch and something else.

Problem with that is that the Retri is unique, so both the Janitor and the Necro would have very little usable claimspace... having your Investigative result revealed would instantly let the Retri know you're evil (and if the Retri is dead, you're confirmed as evil.)

I'd just put Necro/Retri together on their own. It's not perfect, yeah (no Mafia result), but in the role list rearrangement thread the big problem was always a lack of Mafia roles anyway, so some results are going to have to lack them; and this would avoid hurting anyone else by shoehorning them into a spot with only the Retri as a town claim. (The Necro has to be paired with Retri, I think, because making Retris harder to prove is part of the point of the role.)

Mroz4k wrote:Id rather keep the night chat to ressed target + Necro only.

Again, same problem with the Mafia chat - Necro is not neccesary to join Mafia after he resses Mafia. He could ress Mafia just to help remove the Town for NK, letting NK deal with the Mafia later on. it's not 100% necessary, but yes. He should join the Mafia chat in my opinion, but to discourage every necromancer reviving Mafia, the sheriff should see him as Mafia if he does that

We already have chats that colide together, so I dont think adding another one would be too bad.

Necro/ressed target chat could be perform in a similar manner Seances work, really - with the ressed target knowing who the Necro is, obviously.

Or, if there is a Chat, it might be better if the target doesnt know who ressed them, because Necro can just freely tell him on his own.

JammySplodge wrote:Didn't you say somewhere that Ret and Necro would be mutually exclusive, Mroz?

TheScyle wrote:I disagree with the outcome if both a retri and a necromancer would revive the same target.

Rather would I expect the following to happen:

The Necromancers ability takes priority. He revives the evil-doer in the town members body.
The Retributionists ability comes second. He targeted the town member, who is now disguised as an evil doer. He still revives him.

Both targets are being revived, with their bodies being exchanged. This would make it more possible to be actually implemented in the game, as it, right now, has no timer that checks when you click on a box, but only if it is checked at the end of the night.

Of course this method would result in an instant lynch of the newly revived evil doer (or of the town member, if the players are very new to the game and havent realised what has just happened)

simabean wrote:This is an amazing idea, but I think puppet should have to serve necromancer (making an undead minion role?)

simabean wrote:Simple solution: Make reports before the disguise apply to the original, and post reports apply to the disguiser.

Jerme wrote:"The new Leader" or "Mistake" - revive someone disguised as the Mayor.
"Something's odd" - Revive a Werewolf.
"Traitor" - Revive someone and win with an other faction.
"I win" - Replace the same townie the Retributionist wanted to revive.
"Jesus" - revive someone disguised as the Retributionist.

Jerme wrote:"There is no difference" - Revive a Consort as an Escort.
"Death has sharpened their eyes" - Revive a Consigliere as an Investigator.

BPsycho2 wrote:Cracked Red Eye- Revive a Consig as Invest
(Dark Souls reference. Better than "Death Note" anyways.