Undertaker (Neutral Benign) (5000+ views!!)

[DankaldTrump]

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[BPsycho2]

A real Undertaker is too helpful to lynch incase of janitor, BUT too much of an easy scumclaim to not lynch, and that's what makes this role magnificent, among other things.

[simabean]

What's the point? It does nothing relevant, except when Janitor is about.

Night immunity is major, and needed for a role like this.

Even if the immune guy could be Undertaker, I would lynch/execute in, just in case.

I wouldn't jump to lynch so fast if I were you boy.
Also, Kirize answered the question perfectly:

What's the point? It does nothing relevant, except when Janitor is about.

Night immunity is major, and needed for a role like this.

And why wouldn't I lynch him?

[DankaldTrump]

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[simabean]

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[DankaldTrump]

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[BPsycho2]

I'd hate to take sides, but Dankald is right.

There is no visible flaw in this.

[simabean]

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[DankaldTrump]

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[BPsycho2]

1. At least you understand this.
2. I don't get your reasoning. I didn't say to fix it. It's fine as is. This role doesn't change the situation.
3. So nothing changes, so that point doesn't matter.

The tourney is a good thing, but the thread is where criticism of roles should take place.

And while there isn't a flaw, what does it add to the game?

It adds to the game a truly Neutral Benign role that doesn't have to be directly involved in the town drama (although it can when it wants to ) to complete it's goal. It benefits from Drama, but it's not necessary. Can help town by reading Janitor's stuff, but then Mafia might get mad, etc

Also, this role forces you to think, predict, and strategize to win (make reads in chat, point attention at people etc.)
You got to use your brain to be good at this role, which is what everyone wants in a role. Yes. you have to predict death like a Doctor, BUT it's not too hard.

In addition, this a role that has a challenging (but not impossible) goal, with many ways to go about doing it. This is an aspect of a role everyone wants. It's a matter of 3 or 2, since you have to think like a Doctor, and most Doctors heal 1 to 2 people, 3 is very hard.

Overall, this is a perfect, balanced, and fun role that can realistically be added to the game, it has gotten tons of support, and I am not afraid to ask for yours The reason why I have no idea what I'm gonna vote for considering it's Undertaker, Lost Spirit, and Orphan.

Hope this answered your question.

Cheers

[simabean]

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[DankaldTrump]

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[simabean]

Well, I don't make the best roles, but good luck yourself.

[BPsycho2]

You're asking my support after me showing dislike for the role? The goal isn't a big deal, but everyone has to strategize to win. Balanced, yes, like Survivor or Amnesiac. Everyone predicts each other's moves. The ability isn't fun, it feels like your visiting to visit. Like playing as Escort. While it isn't fatally flawed, it doesn't feel like it adds to the game. I'm not posting more objections, since you'll use the same circular logic. But please don't request support to a role I've said I don't like. I can say it's balanced, but not perfect (you're very humble *sarcasm*) and not something I would find fun.

Also just for asking for my support:
/no support No such thing as Circular logic if you're literally voting no because he asked you to vote yes.

When did you directly say you didn't like it? I can't recall? It does add a new aspect to play in the game (almost everyone says it would). Also, why can't I ask for your support? So, by your logic, if I were running for president, you wouldn't vote for me, just because I asked for your support? Well that's not really using good logic there (again,no offense) That's like voting for the actual Donald Trump just because Bernie Sanders asked for your support. not to bring politics into it, but we vote on what we think is best, not because someone asked.

And really, just voting no support, just because I asked for your support? Again, bad logic Ironic considering he said your logic is circular, and I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me on that one.

Well, I understand and not offended by your actions because, in the end, your my opponent and it's all politics. But, in that case, I will take much pleasure in beating your Forlorn Spirit. Sorry to bust your bubble, but it won't be that hard. No offense Simabean.

Cheers buddy

[DankaldTrump]

NB's are meant to be fun and diverse.

Are you saying this just to make a general statement, or is it to state something for or against the UT? I know the UT would be fun to play in the game.

[BPsycho2]

It's definitely fun, and I'm sure it would be fun in the testing grounds.

Besides, NB's aren't meant to add much of anything to the game Townwise. they're supposed to have alternate goals besides "destroy everything besides your alignment" and serve as scumclaims.

Undertaker does both.

[BPsycho2]

Whoops, double post.

Should this thing talk to the dead? Just because he can use them to help predict who is going to die.

[Mace8937]

Whoops, double post.

Should this thing talk to the dead? Just because he can use them to help predict who is going to die.

Nah, the only people then, who could help them do that, is Mafia.
But if dead Mafia did that that would be kinda Gamethrowing. BUT: It does unconfirm Medium tho.

[BPsycho2]

Yes, there are benefits.

Also, Mafia wouldnt be gamethrowing, as the UT doesn't do anything with dead bodies but put them in the ground.

Mafia say "BLANK" is dying all the time. So.. Just ask who is dying.

Bonus: Medium Unconfirmed

[DankaldTrump]

Whoops, double post.

Should this thing talk to the dead? Just because he can use them to help predict who is going to die.

Nah, the only people then, who could help them do that, is Mafia.
But if dead Mafia did that that would be kinda Gamethrowing. BUT: It does unconfirm Medium tho.

I feel like it would make the UT too easy to win as.

The dead maf could just say, "X is dying tonight" for 3 nights and BOOM! Free victory!

[BPsycho2]

What if the Mafia still need him for vote majority? They wouldn't feed him a win.

Also, Mafia dont always die

[MrNSAagent]

1. At least you understand this.
2. I don't get your reasoning. I didn't say to fix it. It's fine as is. This role doesn't change the situation.
3. So nothing changes, so that point doesn't matter.

The tourney is a good thing, but the thread is where criticism of roles should take place.

And while there isn't a flaw, what does it add to the game?

It adds to the game a truly Neutral Benign role that doesn't have to be directly involved in the town drama (although it can when it wants to ) to complete it's goal. It benefits from Drama, but it's not necessary. Can help town by reading Janitor's stuff, but then Mafia might get mad, etc

Also, this role forces you to think, predict, and strategize to win (make reads in chat, point attention at people etc.)
You got to use your brain to be good at this role, which is what everyone wants in a role. Yes. you have to predict death like a Doctor, BUT it's not too hard.

In addition, this a role that has a challenging (but not impossible) goal, with many ways to go about doing it. This is an aspect of a role everyone wants. It's a matter of 3 or 2, since you have to think like a Doctor, and most Doctors heal 1 to 2 people, 3 is very hard.

Overall, this is a perfect, balanced, and fun role that can realistically be added to the game, it has gotten tons of support, and I am not afraid to ask for yours The reason why I have no idea what I'm gonna vote for considering it's Undertaker, Lost Spirit, and Orphan.

Hope this answered your question.

Cheers

Hey... no reposts!

[Jerme]

This is how the Undertakers rolecard would look like ingame (badly cut rolecard alert):

Edit: Doesn't this color remind one of the Vampires?

[Mace8937]

looking at the rolecard, it seems like a Janitor to me.

[Jerme]

Well the only change would be the will removal.
I by myself am neutral towards the change by itself thought the Undertaker would have been a Janitor after readign the attributes for the rolecard. That would be easily to remove either way.