Undertaker (Neutral Benign) (5000+ views!!)

[DankaldTrump]

I agree remove it and leave the UT as is.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

Edit: in the card, just replace the remove wills thing, with the Burying a cleaned target one.

If you can, upload the new card with the default attributes. That would be nice.

[BPsycho2]

Making undertaker a janitor would make it NE.

No need for that lol.

I support neutral medium powers, but Jan is op

[DankaldTrump]

Making undertaker a janitor would make it NE.

No need for that lol.

I support neutral medium powers, but Jan is op

That's why I told him to remove those attributes and leave the UT as-is

[AgenteFuego]

/support

I agree that we need more Neutral Benign roles and this is the most balanced Neutral Benign role suggestion I've seen, you have my support.

However, I feel this role needs a little something, it sounds too easy. Yes, I agree that his role could force you to think, predict, and strategize to win, but as the days go on it will get easier and easier. The last days it will be pretty obvious who's dying and, since you have night-immunity and can't waste a bury, you can perfectly make random guesses and wait until the last days.

The only way I'm seeing this guy dying is if:

1- Mafia tells the Town he's immune via Death Note (a good Mafia wouldn't attack the Undertaker anyways, they should focus on who's contributing the most to the Town).

Or

2- The Investigator suspects he's a Janitor (which would be impossible for the Investigator to think that if there's no Janitor since those make their presence pretty obvious).

The Undertaker shouln't remove the will of his target nor clean it, because that would make him a Neutral Evil Janitor/Forger and that would be unoriginal.

If you want this to remain as a Neutral Benign, my suggestion is to allow him to be a kingmaker. Yeah, people don't like those much, but it gives the other teams a reason to kill him, would people kill a confirmed Survivor if he couldn't vote?, I don't think so.

Or we could give him an effect and transform him into a Neutral Evil (like being able to kill someone after he leaves the Town like the Jester), however, I think you wouldn't like your role to become a Neutral Evil, would you? Although , we could use more Neutral Evils too.

Just my 2 cents, he needs to be a kingmaker to work.

[DankaldTrump]

/support

I agree that we need more Neutral Benign roles and this is the most balanced Neutral Benign role suggestion I've seen, you have my support.

However, I feel this role needs a little something, it sounds too easy. Yes, I agree that his role could force you to think, predict, and strategize to win, but as the days go on it will get easier and easier. The last days it will be pretty obvious who's dying and, since you have night-immunity and can't waste a bury, you can perfectly make random guesses and wait until the last days.

The only way I'm seeing this guy dying is if:

1- Mafia tells the Town he's immune via Death Note (a good Mafia wouldn't attack the Undertaker anyways, they should focus on who's contributing the most to the Town).

Or

2- The Investigator suspects he's a Janitor (which would be impossible for the Investigator to think that if there's no Janitor since those make their presence pretty obvious).

The Undertaker shouln't remove the will of his target nor clean it, because that would make him a Neutral Evil Janitor/Forger and that would be unoriginal.

If you want this to remain as a Neutral Benign, my suggestion is to allow him to be a kingmaker. Yeah, people don't like those much, but it gives the other teams a reason to kill him, would people kill a confirmed Survivor if he couldn't vote?, I don't think so.

Or we could give him an effect and transform him into a Neutral Evil (like being able to kill someone after he leaves the Town like the Jester), however, I think you wouldn't like your role to become a Neutral Evil, would you? Although , we could use more Neutral Evils too.

Just my 2 cents, he needs to be a kingmaker to work.

Kingmakers are illegal here, sorry.

If you don't bury people earlier in the game, it may be too late however, thus, it is challenging (but not impossible)

Thanks for your support though.

[AgenteFuego]

Kingmakers are illegal here, sorry.

If you don't bury people earlier in the game, it may be too late however, thus, it is challenging (but not impossible)

Thanks for your support though.

Could you please give me an example then so I can get it?, I don't see this role being to hard at all, 2-4 days wins are pretty rare. If you don't want to make him a kingmaker, I think you should give the other teams some other reason to kill it.

[ChanelBeast]

Sounds like a role that could possibly be accepted into the game. I see it going in the right direction, and it gets Le Chanel Approval
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[DankaldTrump]

Kingmakers are illegal here, sorry.

If you don't bury people earlier in the game, it may be too late however, thus, it is challenging (but not impossible)

Thanks for your support though.

Could you please give me an example then so I can get it?, I don't this role being to hard at all, 2-4 days wins are pretty rare. If you don't want to make him a kingmaker, I think you should give the other teams some other reason to kill it.

You could be dealing with escorts that RB you. You could be dealing with witches, or transporters, or arsos dousing you.

You could also be ratted out as immune by maf/SK.

Finally, the UT makes for great claimspace for scum, so the town might just hang UT claims, kinda of like surv claims ( UT claims should be considered more trustworthy then surv claims though).

These are just a few examples, hoped that helped

Sounds like a role that could possibly be accepted into the game. I see it going in the right direction, and it gets Le Chanel Approval
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I am honored to have your seal of approval good sir

[simabean]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

[DankaldTrump]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

You only see cleaned roles and wills if you buried that cleaned person, you don't just see every cleaned person's role and will, you would have had to bury them to do that.

Remember Sima, burying also includes stuff like jailor executions and lynches the next day.

I know you didn't mean it, we talked this over, it's alright.

[simabean]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

You only see cleaned roles and wills if you buried that cleaned person, you don't just see every cleaned person's role and will, you would have had to bury them to do that.

Remember Sima, burying also includes stuff like jailor executions and lynches the next day.

I know you didn't mean it, we talked this over, it's alright.

Oh, I forgot about lynches. That makes it a good goal.

I was aware you only get roles of cleaned people you bury, but how does that help at all? I suppose it's minor and nothing to worry about.

I support this as a truly benign neutral.

[DankaldTrump]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

You only see cleaned roles and wills if you buried that cleaned person, you don't just see every cleaned person's role and will, you would have had to bury them to do that.

Remember Sima, burying also includes stuff like jailor executions and lynches the next day.

I know you didn't mean it, we talked this over, it's alright.

Oh, I forgot about lynches. That makes it a good goal.

I was aware you only get roles of cleaned people you bury, but how does that help at all? I suppose it's minor and nothing to worry about.

I support this as a truly benign neutral.

In games with no janitor, it (the attribute) does nothing at all obviously, however in games with a janitor, you can become quite the asset to the town (or mafia), and truly have some extremely fun times, even if you actually didn't bury the cleaned person, you can lie and say that you did and give false leads to get another person killed and buried.

You get what I am saying?

Finally, I thank you for your support, it means alot.

[BPsycho2]

I still suggest that it hear the dead.

That helps push mislynches upon media who confirm each other.

Nobody in game LIKES the Undertaker because he can side with anyone, so it's likely they'll lynch a medium who they think is one.

[AgenteFuego]

You could be dealing with escorts that RB you. You could be dealing with witches, or transporters, or arsos dousing you.

You could also be ratted out as immune by maf/SK.

Finally, the UT makes for great claimspace for scum, so the town might just hang UT claims, kinda of like surv claims ( UT claims should be considered more trustworthy then surv claims though).

These are just a few examples, hoped that helped

Meh, everyone has to deal with most of that, I still feel this role is too easy.

[BPsycho2]

That's why I want it to hear the dead.

They'll lynch media (mistakenly), AND undertakers.

[DankaldTrump]

You could be dealing with escorts that RB you. You could be dealing with witches, or transporters, or arsos dousing you.

You could also be ratted out as immune by maf/SK.

Finally, the UT makes for great claimspace for scum, so the town might just hang UT claims, kinda of like surv claims ( UT claims should be considered more trustworthy then surv claims though).

These are just a few examples, hoped that helped

Meh, everyone has to deal with most of that, I still feel this role is too easy.

I honestly think you are over thinking it, but that's just me.

That's why I want it to hear the dead.

They'll lynch media (mistakenly), AND undertakers.

I honestly dont know man...

What do others think, should the UT hear dead chat?

[simabean]

No. Mafia might say who's being killed, and you have a easy win.

[DankaldTrump]

No. Mafia might say who's being killed, and you have a easy win.

You see, like I said before, I agree with that.

The UT is fine as is

It is a challenging and balanced role

[AgenteFuego]

I honestly think you are over thinking it, but that's just me.

You know what?, maybe you're right. I just hope this role gets into the game and that we can test it before it is official.

[WildFireDevil]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

You only see cleaned roles and wills if you buried that cleaned person, you don't just see every cleaned person's role and will, you would have had to bury them to do that.

Remember Sima, burying also includes stuff like jailor executions and lynches the next day.

I know you didn't mean it, we talked this over, it's alright.

hello there im especially new to the forums although ive spent countless days on this game and even beta tested it. the only reason why i signed ito the forums was to reply to your awesome inavative idea!

some fixer-upper suggestions:

Role can use seeing the cleaned roles it bured to its advantage by claiming that role.

Also what happens if you bury a role then it becomes revived by ret?

thank you for taking the time to read my comment and ill be back for more questions! Hoped this helped!

-The leader of hell, litteraly

[DankaldTrump]

I honestly think you are over thinking it, but that's just me.

You know what?, maybe you're right. I just hope this role gets into the game and that we can test it before it is official.

Lucky for me, the TG council has accepted my request to have the UT tested, I am very excited.

[DankaldTrump]

Why does UT see cleaned roles + wills? It doesn't help the UT, and the feature, while minor, only effects Janitor.

And I've heard people say Doctor usually only heals 1-2 people, but UT has to bury three people.

I didn't mean my past comments, I was having a bad day.

You only see cleaned roles and wills if you buried that cleaned person, you don't just see every cleaned person's role and will, you would have had to bury them to do that.

Remember Sima, burying also includes stuff like jailor executions and lynches the next day.

I know you didn't mean it, we talked this over, it's alright.

hello there im especially new to the forums although ive spent countless days on this game and even beta tested it. the only reason why i signed ito the forums was to reply to your awesome inavative idea!

some fixer-upper suggestions:

Role can use seeing the cleaned roles it bured to its advantage by claiming that role.

Also what happens if you bury a role then it becomes revived by ret?

thank you for taking the time to read my comment and ill be back for more questions! Hoped this helped!

-The leader of hell, litteraly

Thanks for you kind words

buried roles (as of right now) can still be revived by a ret, however, i am considering that they cannot, what do you think?

if you have any more questions just ask.

[MrNSAagent]

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Sorry guys, I didn't scroll down far enough!

[MrNSAagent]

I forgot to say this!
/support

[BPsycho2]

I still think it should hear the dead. Just because it unconfirms the double media.