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PandACT wrote:The ghost is too much escort. Possibly can only visit every OTHER night. Maybe it also role-blocks the visitor for the next night. Something like: "You were chased away from the house by a ghost!" The next night: "You were too terrified of the ghost to go outside."

too op ?
i mean, double roleblock

@PandACT: I appreciate your suggestion. The idea is interesting, but since the Ghost only disturbs the malicious visitors, this would stop two killings in a row when successfully once.
I remember the time where the Ghost could protect the Sk without dying to his blade (now he gets killed after the night ended). That time the Ghost had also a limited number of possible visits, so it had already made a long journey.

General question: What are your thoughts about the Ghost? Is it a raher good idea, or more a WereCort (mix of Werewolf and Escort)?

I have updated my roles based on the review I received from Lucas.
Are there still aspects, which are still unclear and in the need of an explanation, or improvement?

EDIT: I have noticed that both of my roles have aspects which are mentioned in the thread "Role ideas not to make". What is your opinion of that?

I'm not really interested in this role. Seems alright though. I just don't really care for the mechanics of it in general.

@RetralMega: Which role do you mean? This post contains two.

Jerme wrote:@RetralMega: Which role do you mean? This post contains two.

Both. The second one seems like a buffed Marshal from Forum Mafia.

I did not know the Marshal when I created the Ghost.
May I receive a further elaboration of your previous post?

As for Lost Spirit, based on the attributes, it seems rather over powered. If a Vigilante shoots the Lost Spirit, they gain night immunity for that night and the next? Seems little over the top to me.

As for the ghost, it's seems even more OP.
The ghost is an Escort-Marshall, which is just far too OP on its own.

The Lost Spirit needs to actively search for their death and does not have to wait until someone kills them...
In contrast to the Marshal, the ghost does not scare any Escorts, Transporters or any non killing Mafia roles away.

I do not want this thread to die (and I have used the Bumb-button already), so I request to receive more opinions towards this role

I think that the lost spirit should win if they are kill period.

@ tendedrex: The Lost Spirit does win upon being killed, but there have to be some special conditions for the role to be victorious otherwise it would be way to easy to win with. If you mean something else with your post, then please elaborate.

Update: I replaced the unique roleblocked notification with the default one.

I like the LS
Ghost seems like A JAilor, minus the killing and Night-chat

@Jammy I see you point regarding the Ghost, I haven't seen the role that way, but there are some minor differences: The Ghosts target can still be transported and blackmailed, but they do not receive an attack notification, while the Ghost does. Additionally I made the ghost recently less confirmable by giving him the default notification. Indeed it is similar, but still different. It was said it was similar to the Marshal, so it is kind of a a mix between Marshall, Jailor and a Werewolf escort?

Bumping for Feedback manually siucne bumpbutton was used already.
I do not want this to die :c

Ghost:
Comes from a protective variation of "visit someone to cancel the other visits". So it's basically a roleblocker that aims for any potential visitor of his target. In this case you limited it to just evil intentions while also roleblocking the target itself. I don't have much to say about this, I could see the concept of roleblocking visitors of a target working well as a role. What I don't know is what is actually better to incorporate in the game, your version or the version of another person. And I also think that there are plenty of role concepts that should be incorporated before this one. But other than that, seems okay.

Lost Spirit:
Let's be honest, I have a particular problem with Neutral Roles right now. I always see the game as a Ranked perspective the three neutral cathegories, Killing, Evil and Benign are included in the role list. However those alignments and the roles they contain have to be adjusted. Right now your role would not fit in what I consider an ideal Neutral Benign role. And I would label it in a 4th type neutral role. However Ignoring that, I don't particularly like the concept of the role for various reasons. First of all, I feel that role is perhaps too complex, roles that are simple are always easier to apply, that doesn't mean that complex roles can't be good but in this particular case, Lost spirit has plenty of different night interaction with different roles, I don't think there is another role like that in the game except for Jailor. But that's the thing we are comparing Jailor, the ultimate town powerhouse to a Neutral. Another thing that makes me uncomfortable is that some of those interactions come from very cuestionable reasons, such as perhaps the lore of the character. This makes Witch a counter to this role and it makes Lost Spirit to become a Counter of Arsonist or Arsonist a counter of Lost Spirit depending in the situation. i don't really like much of this Role Idea.

Another thing that I don't like about the Lost Spirit is that is a very one dimensional role, all of the current roles of town of salem if they are in the current ranked role list have to deal an interact with the other alignments in the game. This one seems to have a higher potential to skip those and win. You even removed his last will in some situations.

To the Ghost: You got the concept pretty well, every visiting Killing-role will be roleblocked, but Sk only kills the Ghost if he is targetted, not as a visitor.

Lost Spirit:
I started this role as a reverse Jester, but gave it a higher difficulty than just "die in the night", so it must actively search for a cause of death.
For the alignment; Benign is the most fitting one, since Evils need to harm the town to succeed in their goal and it does not kill.
The comparison with the Jailor is interesting and I have not given a thought of that, but I see your point of too much complexity, do you have any ideas how I can imrpove on that?
I am a fan of lores in general, so I included this little "easteregg" in the concept, but I could remove the killing part in order to make the Witch less of an hardcounter.
The same goes for the Arsonist: A spirit is unable to burn (except for any alcoholic ones), so the Arso cannot kill it neither per visit now via ignite.
The Lost Spirit needs either a lucky guess and win early, or needs to read people in order be successful, the interactions with others are still required to win.
The missing displayal of a Last Will was for protective reasons, since a LS could note who they visited when --> So its killer is could noted in the will.

If you have any ideas of improvements, feel free to post them~

Lost Spirit needs to visit and active Town Killing to be successful, while a visited Neutral- or Mafia(Killing) does not need to be active to help the Spirit to win (this would evne work with a non-fullmoon ww)
For the Mafioso/Gf action --> Lost spirit will be successful no matter who of them is visited., currently I am thinking, if the Lost Spirit success should replace the kill or be a "collateral damage".

Opinions?

Collateral damage.

Role blocking a killer in a mutually good relation ship doesn't make sense to me

Good, then I can keep the attributes as they are.
Should a Vigilante lose an additional Bullet when lifting the curse of a Lost Spirit, or would the one shot count to let the LS win and additionally kill the original target?
Currently the protection of the Spirit can prevent a death from guilt (over shooting a townmember), should it stay like that, or be removed/upgraded to: cannot die from Jester, giving them a message similar to "Someone held you back" (or the standard message "Your target was immune to your attack")?

Could I also have more feedback to the Ghost role?

To the Lost Spirit/Jester interaction: I agree visiting the target of a haunting Jester could make the Lost Spirit win, but I am unsure in that case, since the LS should not win from visiting a suicider (vig-guilt, leaver, and technically the Jester haunt is also a suicide..). If the Spirit is haunted by a Jester themselves they should not win, so I'd say no tho that proposed change.
The Lost spirit won't protect/roleblock someone, so option one is not gong to be added. Now it is the question if deleting another charge to too scum favored, since the LS has already harder option to archieve a victory by winning due to a Town(Killing). And additionally a Vig could have -1 bullets in that case if their last shot makes the LS win...

I think the OP said that the Ghost cannot visit the same target twice in a row. If it is not mentioned there, what is the opinion of this change?

The ghost will just jump from mayor, to doing nothing. Then go back.

Or, what is way stronger, jump from Mayor to Mayor jailing Jailor back and forth. This way the Ghost protects always 2 people