The Scientist (Town Investigative) (Used in Testing Grounds)

[Ultimation12]

Well. I like this idea. And I don't really see anything wrong with the name "The Scientist". Heck, if you keep the name and the devs put it in, the theme song for counting down the days 'til it's released could be "The Scientist" by Flux Pavilion.

[Greenpandalover]

If this role is added I could see it buffing the WW. How you may ask? Well the WW is a normal person every odd night. This could mean the WW could fool tthe scientist up, as it could appear the same as everyothdr townie, kinda like the sheriff.

[Exacerbated]

I love the role idea but i think it needs a nerf. In the right hands (so in ranked games mostly) this role might just be the strongest investigative role in the game. Why?
Well because you can just sample a proven townie (Especially d1 revealed mayor)and then you can know if your target is or is not a townie, without any doubt. Then you can sample again that target (or one of the other target you sampled, because now they are also confirmed townie) and repeat the process. So this role might be basically a more complete sheriff,since it can also check gf/arso/neutral evil roles.
I hope you understood what I mean,i'm sorry if something is unclear, english is not my first language

Good point. I added in the changelog so that the Scientist cannot sample a revealed Mayor.

"The clergy keeps a watchful eye on the Scientist and strictly forbids scientific experiments on the Mayor."

Lets call this role "sherrif" and replace it whatever uselessness the current sherrif is.

The Sheriff, while slightly underwhelming in the current meta, can give you a definitive answer in the vast majority of cases on one person. The Scientist is definitively worse at giving absolute information about one person, but instead gives you information about the connection between two people at the population level. It is different, but equally useful (if not more useful) information. High level play is very much oriented around group psychology, so it will be more effective there.

I love the role idea but i think it needs a nerf. In the right hands (so in ranked games mostly) this role might just be the strongest investigative role in the game. Why?
Well because you can just sample a proven townie (Especially d1 revealed mayor)and then you can know if your target is or is not a townie, without any doubt. Then you can sample again that target (or one of the other target you sampled, because now they are also confirmed townie) and repeat the process. So this role might be basically a more complete sheriff,since it can also check gf/arso/neutral evil roles.
I hope you understood what I mean,i'm sorry if something is unclear, english is not my first language

It would still take twice as long to check people, and a smart framer would be able to easily counter this.

Finding information about two people in one night is efficiency, even if you are covering the same amount of ground in that time period. The downside is the haziness of the information, as you have to think critically about the results you receive, even if they are robust.

Well. I like this idea. And I don't really see anything wrong with the name "The Scientist". Heck, if you keep the name and the devs put it in, the theme song for counting down the days 'til it's released could be "The Scientist" by Flux Pavilion.

I'll have to check out this song sometime.

If this role is added I could see it buffing the WW. How you may ask? Well the WW is a normal person every odd night. This could mean the WW could fool tthe scientist up, as it could appear the same as everyothdr townie, kinda like the sheriff.

The Scientist compares the alignment supertype of two players. Since Werewolf is a neutral, he can still get caught out. However, it wouldn't prevent the Werewolf from hiding behind a Survivor or Amnesiac or Executioner claim, for example.

[Jtgop]

I love the role idea but i think it needs a nerf. In the right hands (so in ranked games mostly) this role might just be the strongest investigative role in the game. Why?
Well because you can just sample a proven townie (Especially d1 revealed mayor)and then you can know if your target is or is not a townie, without any doubt. Then you can sample again that target (or one of the other target you sampled, because now they are also confirmed townie) and repeat the process. So this role might be basically a more complete sheriff,since it can also check gf/arso/neutral evil roles.
I hope you understood what I mean,i'm sorry if something is unclear, english is not my first language

It would still take twice as long to check people, and a smart framer would be able to easily counter this.

Finding information about two people in one night is efficiency, even if you are covering the same amount of ground in that time period. The downside is the haziness of the information, as you have to think critically about the results you receive, even if they are robust.

I was not commenting on the role so much as the strategy, if you were to check a confirmed townie every other night, you could know if one person was a member of the town, or not, but it would take you two turns, and if a framer framed the confirmed townie, you would be given a false reading.

[Greenpandalover]

I love the role idea but i think it needs a nerf. In the right hands (so in ranked games mostly) this role might just be the strongest investigative role in the game. Why?
Well because you can just sample a proven townie (Especially d1 revealed mayor)and then you can know if your target is or is not a townie, without any doubt. Then you can sample again that target (or one of the other target you sampled, because now they are also confirmed townie) and repeat the process. So this role might be basically a more complete sheriff,since it can also check gf/arso/neutral evil roles.
I hope you understood what I mean,i'm sorry if something is unclear, english is not my first language

It would still take twice as long to check people, and a smart framer would be able to easily counter this.

A framer could screw stuff up by framing the mayor, making them a different alignment from the real BG, and the same as the Godfather.

[thedeadman]

Good balanced role, i mean really balanced well thought out
sad that blankmedia wont want it
Hopefully its chosen
someday
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someday

[TheDeltax]

Good point. I added in the changelog so that the Scientist cannot sample a revealed Mayor.

I'm glad i gave you one more hint for this role

[Exacerbated]

Now that I think about it, being roleblocked by an Escort or Consort kills your momentum, almost fatally.

I think if the Scientist gets roleblocked, maybe he should always take the sample of the roleblocker (not the Jailor, obviously; that would be broken).

[Greenpandalover]

Excerbated, hve you messaged Nelly to add this to the rolelist masterthread?

[cmitc1]

Love the idea

[dota2reporter]

Love the idea

nice bump m8

btw this role idea is one of the best, bmg add this instead of vampire

[Greenpandalover]

Love the idea

nice bump m8

btw this role idea is one of the best, bmg add this instead of vampire

Im surprised this thread went cold though, it was/is a nice role idea.

[braboobssiere]

The more complex a role is, the more fun it is to play as.


I like this role.

its not complex as it look or he try to make it seems to be..

very simple tho: you choose a target and that target's side will be compared to the next target's side (and you'll always use the last target as a sample to compare to)

pros is its an alternate sheriff that can find a town member and bypass detect immunity target too, not just sk and mafia

also, since it's superior to sheriff in every way. i wanna suggested to nerf it by 'if you're roleblocked or jailed (or simply didnt use your ability), you would lose the last sample since your previous night sample is expired (more than one day, so you throw it away)' oh and you shouldnt be able to target a leave player (aka suicide player) too

[Juuhazan]

its not complex as it look or he try to make it seems to be..

very simple tho: you choose a target and that target's side will be compared to the next target's side (and you'll always use the last target as a sample to compare to)

pros is its an alternate sheriff that can find a town member and bypass detect immunity target too, not just sk and mafia

also, since it's superior to sheriff in every way. i wanna suggested to nerf it by 'if you're roleblocked or jailed (or simply didnt use your ability), you would lose the last sample since your previous night sample is expired (more than one day, so you throw it away)' oh and you shouldnt be able to target a leave player (aka suicide player) too

@AssassinOfDoom: that's not a hard rule (see: a lot of shitty role ideas here)

It's mechanically simple, but has a lot of depth in how you play it.

And no, it's a stronger sheriff, but please, no nerfs. Exa is already thinking of making it rb immune, since it's very crippling to the scientist's momentum.

[braboobssiere]

@AssassinOfDoom ok, i'm sorry for misunderstand and flooding the board, just try to help tho >.>

about nerf, after i read this post (i didn't see it before the previous post)..

Now that I think about it, being roleblocked by an Escort or Consort kills your momentum, almost fatally.

I think if the Scientist gets roleblocked, maybe he should always take the sample of the roleblocker (not the Jailor, obviously; that would be broken).

i think he already thought about it (and it is exactly the same as what i just suggest, except the leaver part)

for the leaver part (can't choose the one who quit/suicide before the night end) because you will know his role in the following morning, which is the same as targeting mayor or himself imo

[Juuhazan]

Maybe just Roleblock Immunity?

Don't see why not, really. Though I guess Exa's suggestion of getting your roleblocker's sample would work just as well.

[Duorogue]

so, has anyone asked what would happen if you sampled the mayor who revealed the next day? would you just get a "town/not town" day or would the sample be invalidated?

[NDM]

I love it and people saying it takes place in medieval times... You're wrong. Gas was found in the 20 century and arso and trans both use gas. So this is logical. Hope this helps you keep makeing good roles dude or female dude (not trying to be sexist and no clue what a female dude is called)

[TenNoOkami]

i still really like this role and wish it would be added, it has a lot of potential to be a pretty fun role.
They could put this instead of the Sheriff even! xD

[Arpitr20]

The problem with this role is that if you have q confirmed mayor or something you can use them as a prototype and come back to them evry 3 nights, making it super easy to clear who's town and. Who's mafia

[TrueGent]

The problem with this role is that if you have q confirmed mayor or something you can use them as a prototype and come back to them evry 3 nights, making it super easy to clear who's town and. Who's mafia

-You may NOT sample yourself.
-You may NOT sample a revealed Mayor.

[orangeandblack5]

Still a great role

[murat1996]

Still a great role

Exactly, one of best roles that was useful even in the TG.

[theo07]

Best TI I ever saw on the forums.GJ.

Sorry if this has been asked,but if you sample a town and then it's turned to Vamp,that sample will still be a town sample,right?

[orangeandblack5]

That hasn't been asked, because this is a pre-Vampire role idea. I'd imagine that it would still show up as Town though.