They are known to be an evildoer
Will:
_Rokk - Jailor
N1 - Brilliand (TK)
N2 - Vampire Acolyte (Executing)
N3 - Ezra (Executing)
Solve List:
Jailor - Me
TI - Endertoad (Tracker)
TI - Super (Invest)
TP - Axe (Trapper)
TK - Brilliand (Veteran)
RT - Fwogcarf (LO, according to Ezra)
RT - Dawn (Sheriff)
RT - alex (Judge)
RT - Descender (Bouncer)
CL - Mr60Gold
RC - Sal/alienxotic (Potion Master)
RC - Ezra (Necromancer)
DUSA - mighty
RN - Vampire Acolyte (Serial Killer)
RN - Sal/alienxotic (Servant: Coven Master)
I ended up jailing Ezra as an impulsive decision. The lynch hapened during the 5 minutes in class, and I had a theory where I jail Ezra, Descender lied about their role and was Crusader, and then Descender killed CL. I then realized later that CL gets defense. According to syj and Ezra this play doesn't matter, and town lost regardless, so I guess it's fine.
Town got unlucky with coven sided servant. Town also got unlucky that all 3 of the silent people were coven, so we didn't have any of their chats to go off of.
Hopefully coven throws and walks into Brilliand and town still has a chance, but if I'm dead town probably loses.
Forum Mafia is confusing, but it is fun! I'll definitely join another if one is ever created.
GG everyone.
SuperGDPWYL wrote:Made a mistake, Sal was the servant
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Now about judge; we didnt see much but seeing how the voting system is in forum mafia, it is overpowered, you can get as many votes on you (or anyone) and your sole vote can get another person lynched due to objection, I dont think this is a problem in normal ToS because of how the voting is, but in FM it is way to strong
Brilliand wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Now about judge; we didnt see much but seeing how the voting system is in forum mafia, it is overpowered, you can get as many votes on you (or anyone) and your sole vote can get another person lynched due to objection, I dont think this is a problem in normal ToS because of how the voting is, but in FM it is way to strong
Note that if you hadn't nerfed Judge to be unable to self-protect, then D3 would have ended very differently. Alex would have objected to his own lynching, most likely resulting in the lynch getting pushed off onto Ezra, and setting up a D4 where Town would have a significant (but not decisive) advantage.
By taking away Judge's ability to self-protect, you pulled the rug out from under Alex, especially because Alex was likely playing so aggressively because he thought that he was playing a highly confirmable role on par with Mayor. Mayor can actually do what Alex did and get away with it; Widget's Judge can too; but syj's Judge cannot.
I'm not sure whether announcing the change to Judge beforehand would have solved that problem - it depends on whether Alex was basing his behavior on his own reading of the role, or on past discussions where the general consensus was that Judge functions similarly to Mayor.
Aside from that, I see the proxy vote mechanic as just unfair. The plurality voting system already carries significantly more risk of evils forcing a mislynch than Town of Salem has; now you've added a special mechanic just to make it easier for them to do that?
Brilliand wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Now about judge; we didnt see much but seeing how the voting system is in forum mafia, it is overpowered, you can get as many votes on you (or anyone) and your sole vote can get another person lynched due to objection, I dont think this is a problem in normal ToS because of how the voting is, but in FM it is way to strong
Note that if you hadn't nerfed Judge to be unable to self-protect, then D3 would have ended very differently. Alex would have objected to his own lynching, most likely resulting in the lynch getting pushed off onto Ezra, and setting up a D4 where Town would have a significant (but not decisive) advantage.
By taking away Judge's ability to self-protect, you pulled the rug out from under Alex, especially because Alex was likely playing so aggressively because he thought that he was playing a highly confirmable role on par with Mayor. Mayor can actually do what Alex did and get away with it; Widget's Judge can too; but syj's Judge cannot.
I'm not sure whether announcing the change to Judge beforehand would have solved that problem - it depends on whether Alex was basing his behavior on his own reading of the role, or on past discussions where the general consensus was that Judge functions similarly to Mayor.
Aside from that, I see the proxy vote mechanic as just unfair. The plurality voting system already carries significantly more risk of evils forcing a mislynch than Town of Salem has; now you've added a special mechanic just to make it easier for them to do that?
Brilliand wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Now about judge; we didnt see much but seeing how the voting system is in forum mafia, it is overpowered, you can get as many votes on you (or anyone) and your sole vote can get another person lynched due to objection, I dont think this is a problem in normal ToS because of how the voting is, but in FM it is way to strong
Note that if you hadn't nerfed Judge to be unable to self-protect, then D3 would have ended very differently. Alex would have objected to his own lynching, most likely resulting in the lynch getting pushed off onto Ezra, and setting up a D4 where Town would have a significant (but not decisive) advantage.
By taking away Judge's ability to self-protect, you pulled the rug out from under Alex, especially because Alex was likely playing so aggressively because he thought that he was playing a highly confirmable role on par with Mayor. Mayor can actually do what Alex did and get away with it; Widget's Judge can too; but syj's Judge cannot.
I'm not sure whether announcing the change to Judge beforehand would have solved that problem - it depends on whether Alex was basing his behavior on his own reading of the role, or on past discussions where the general consensus was that Judge functions similarly to Mayor.
Aside from that, I see the proxy vote mechanic as just unfair. The plurality voting system already carries significantly more risk of evils forcing a mislynch than Town of Salem has; now you've added a special mechanic just to make it easier for them to do that?
Salocin481 wrote:The issue for us as Coven is that d1, three of our coven members were silent, so the scum team was just Ezra and I for a while. We had to do proxy actions at night as well. I didn't know proxy voting was something that we could do, so at the end of d2 I decided my best move was to just not show up and hope that Ezra wasn't lynched.
Had we known Judge couldn't vote for themselves, we could've won sooner. We could've witched Jailor and gotten Rokk stabbed by Acolyte. We knew Acolyte wasn't Survivor since I was the NB, and based on the Doc claim we reasoned they were SK.
A D2 win (outside of relying on Jaiden to vote Alex) could've been mechanically possible if we played our cards better.
I agree that Servant is too swingy. Like most NB, honestly, but Servant is worse. It's probably fine in Chaos modes, and it's pretty fun! Thus far in the two FMs with Servant, the team with Servant has had a MASSIVE advantage.
Brilliand wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Now about judge; we didnt see much but seeing how the voting system is in forum mafia, it is overpowered, you can get as many votes on you (or anyone) and your sole vote can get another person lynched due to objection, I dont think this is a problem in normal ToS because of how the voting is, but in FM it is way to strong
Note that if you hadn't nerfed Judge to be unable to self-protect, then D3 would have ended very differently. Alex would have objected to his own lynching, most likely resulting in the lynch getting pushed off onto Ezra, and setting up a D4 where Town would have a significant (but not decisive) advantage.
By taking away Judge's ability to self-protect, you pulled the rug out from under Alex, especially because Alex was likely playing so aggressively because he thought that he was playing a highly confirmable role on par with Mayor. Mayor can actually do what Alex did and get away with it; Widget's Judge can too; but syj's Judge cannot.
I'm not sure whether announcing the change to Judge beforehand would have solved that problem - it depends on whether Alex was basing his behavior on his own reading of the role, or on past discussions where the general consensus was that Judge functions similarly to Mayor.
Aside from that, I see the proxy vote mechanic as just unfair. The plurality voting system already carries significantly more risk of evils forcing a mislynch than Town of Salem has; now you've added a special mechanic just to make it easier for them to do that?
Salocin481 wrote:The issue for us as Coven is that d1, three of our coven members were silent, so the scum team was just Ezra and I for a while. We had to do proxy actions at night as well. I didn't know proxy voting was something that we could do, so at the end of d2 I decided my best move was to just not show up and hope that Ezra wasn't lynched.
Had we known Judge couldn't vote for themselves, we could've won sooner. We could've witched Jailor and gotten Rokk stabbed by Acolyte. We knew Acolyte wasn't Survivor since I was the NB, and based on the Doc claim we reasoned they were SK.
A D2 win (outside of relying on Jaiden to vote Alex) could've been mechanically possible if we played our cards better.
I agree that Servant is too swingy. Like most NB, honestly, but Servant is worse. It's probably fine in Chaos modes, and it's pretty fun! Thus far in the two FMs with Servant, the team with Servant has had a MASSIVE advantage.
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