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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Accepting

Postby alex1234321 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:00 pm

Submission has ended! The list of roles that weren't seconded this month is very long, so I'm not going to post the full thing. But any role that wasn't seconded can be nominated next month.

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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Accepting

Postby alex1234321 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:00 pm

Submission has ended! The list of roles that weren't seconded this month is very long, so I'm not going to post the full thing. But any role that wasn't seconded can be nominated next month.

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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Ezradekezra » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:20 pm

holy fuck that's a lot of seconded roles
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Ezradekezra » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:25 pm

/vote Expatriate
/vote Copycat
/vote Spiritualist
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Benn3 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:28 pm

/vote Gossip
/vote Sniper
/vote Soldier
/vote Assassin
/vote Ritualist
/vote Hypnotist Rework
/vote Vampire Faction
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Cabohhh » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:46 pm

Gossip by Brilliand Voted for this last time, it's okay.
Matchmaker by Salocin481 From a ranked standpoint, this is a better doctor.
Sniper by Benn3 Seems overly complicated.
Agent by Salocin481 Easy to understand, well written, very thorough, albeit done before.
Expatriate by Ezradekezra Really just a Mafia veteran that'll cause more problems than it solves.
Soldier by Benn3 Meh.
Ritualist by alex1234321 Very powerful late-game presence.
Sandman by MorganTheMod Too much to read for beginners, with an unreliable 0.5 KPN.
Assassin by Benn3 Meh.
Bomb Slinger by MorganTheMod Very complicated.
Copycat by Ezradekezra Doesn't have too much of an effect in a way that's beneficial to anyone.
Echo by WaveAqualei Creative, and I like having another Coven mode restricted role.
Mage by syjfwbaobfwl Versatile role, good balance.
Parasite by alex1234321 Volatile, high risk-high reward role.
Spiritualist by MorganTheMod No.
Framer Rework by EtherealEnder Balanced and fair.
Hypnotist Rework by Benn3 Seems like too much, and sounds like a pain to put into a GUI.
Vampire Faction by Benn3 Too complicated, also unreliable.
Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709 Eh.

With that being said;

/vote Gossip
/vote Hitman
/vote Hierophant
/vote Mystic
/vote Echo
/vote Mage
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby cob709 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:05 pm

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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Salocin481 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:31 am

/vote Matchmaker
/vote Agent

/vote Echo
/vote Hierophant
/vote Framer Rework
/vote Vampire Faction

/vote Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers

I thought I'd limit myself to 4 votes besides my own... but Modifiers are too cool
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby ak521 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:15 pm

Lots of roles so I'm going to be super critical.

Gossip by Brilliand - no
Matchmaker by Salocin481 - no
Sniper by Benn3 - only TK with powerful attack should be Vet, this would need to be made to Basic.. even then, it's duelist. no
Agent by Salocin481 - this seems as boring as Framer even though it could have some use. no
Expatriate by Ezradekezra - This is a nerfed medusa or mafia veteran. no
Hitman by Cabohhh - concept is good, seems fun, but I doubt it will be a useful addition to mafia considering it could attack them. no.
Soldier by Benn3 -this seems as boring as Framer even though it could have some use. no
Hierophant by Cabohhh - no
Ritualist by alex1234321 - this seems super fun but without the Basic Defense and allowing to curse teammates is probably unwise given the toxic state of tos.
Sandman by MorganTheMod - no
Assassin by Benn3 - no
Bomb Slinger by MorganTheMod - no
Copycat by Ezradekezra - no
Echo by WaveAqualei - interesting concept but it's a weak witch if I understood it right. no.
Mage by syjfwbaobfwl - no
Mystic by Cabohhh - Tbh there is a ton of attributes. I think edits need to be made since I don't think it's balanced but the concept seems fun.
Parasite by alex1234321 - good concept but it seems powerful. no.
Spiritualist by MorganTheMod - no
Framer Rework by EtherealEnder - I'm willing to vote this but Disg needs to be removed alongside this.
Hypnotist Rework by Benn3 - Hypno is fine imo.
Vampire Faction by Benn3 - I didn't read this but I seriously doubt that an entire faction of roles will be ready for testing. I seriously doubt that these are balanced as of yet. no
Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709 - This seems fun and I voted for it last cycle but I'm not too keen on it since it just interferes with the game's balance. no


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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby EtherealEnder » Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:14 pm

/vote Framer Rework

/vote Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers
/vote Gossip
/vote Agent
/vote Hitman
/vote Bomb Slinger
/vote Parasite
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby runningwiththepower » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:25 pm

/vote Gossip by Brilliand
/vote Matchmaker by Salocin481
/vote Sniper by Benn3
/vote Agent by Salocin481
/vote Expatriate by Ezradekezra
/vote Soldier by Benn3
/vote Ritualist by alex1234321
/vote Sandman by MorganTheMod
/vote Copycat by Ezradekezra
/vote Mage by syjfwbaobfwl
/vote Parasite by alex1234321
/vote Spiritualist by MorganTheMod
/vote Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709
/vote Hitman
/vote Mystic
/vote Hierophant
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby cob709 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:11 pm

ak521 wrote:Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709 - This seems fun and I voted for it last cycle but I'm not too keen on it since it just interferes with the game's balance. no

dw it won't be in ranked, it'll probably be listed in the chaos gamemodes tab with town traitor, all any, rainbow, etc
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby WaveAqualei » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:44 pm

Gossip by Brilliand A nice role, I'm not sure how it would work out in All Any.
Matchmaker by Salocin481 Make this a Coven exclusive role and I think it's great.
Sniper by Benn3 Astral attack is a lot, and it doesn't die to guilt? This is a better Vigi, not sure how I feel about it.
Agent by Salocin481 I know Technician has been done before but it just makes sense as its own role. Have the smoke bombs permanent IMO.
Expatriate by Ezradekezra This is like Medusa but it doesn't hide wills so it would be easily outed.
Hitman by Cabohhh I like this, it's unique but might need balancing.
Soldier by Benn3 More of a personal preference but I don't like Mafia roles that have more than 2 abilities. Seems cool and somewhat balanced though.
Hierophant by Cabohhh An interesting role but I don't know what to think about it.
Mystic by Cabohhh It says I helped create this role but I really just gave a *very* small idea. I still like how it works though.
Ritualist by alex1234321 I'm not sure how I feel about this, but it has potential.
Sandman by MorganTheMod It relies on visiting roles, it can't win in a 1v1.
Assassin by Benn3 This has been done before IIRC.
Bomb Slinger by MorganTheMod Needs heavy editing but it has potential.
Copycat by Ezradekezra It sounds like my Echo role but that doesn't mean it's bad!
Echo by WaveAqualei My role lol.
Mage by syjfwbaobfwl Needs more editing. Vote it in next month and I'll vote for it if I like the changes!
Parasite by alex1234321 This is an odd role, but I like it?
Spiritualist by MorganTheMod I don't like roles that get extra votes, maybe make it where it takes one less vote for a player to be put on trial instead?
Framer Rework by EtherealEnder I don't like how it would make Serial Killers and Coven innocent, since they oppose them. The rest of it is fine however.
Hypnotist Rework by Benn3 The changes feel unnecessary IMO.
Vampire Faction by Benn3 Not my favorite, sorry.
Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709 Seems cool!

/vote Matchmaker
/vote Agent
/vote Hitman
/vote Mystic
/vote Ritualist
/vote Copycat
/vote Echo
/vote Parasite
/vote Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Brilliand » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:21 am

Keeping my votes the same for roles that got carried over or resubmitted:

/vote Gossip by Brilliand

As for the new roles:

/vote Mystic by Cabohhh Pretty much a Coven Ambusher, but I think it's balanced right for a Coven role, and Ambusher probably should have been a Coven role anyway.
/vote Parasite by alex1234321 Interesting concept. I think the balance is probably off, but there's potential here.
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Brilliand » Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Voting has ended! Here are the final results:

Town Roles
Gossip by Brilliand 5
Matchmaker by Salocin481 3
Sniper by Benn3 2

Mafia Roles
Agent by Salocin481 4
Expatriate by Ezradekezra 2
Hitman by Cabohhh 4
Soldier by Benn3 2

Coven Roles
Hierophant by Cabohhh 4
Mystic by Cabohhh 6
Ritualist by alex1234321 3
Sandman by MorganTheMod 1

Neutral Roles
Assassin by Benn3 1
Bomb Slinger by MorganTheMod 1
Copycat by Ezradekezra 3
Echo by WaveAqualei 4
Mage by syjfwbaobfwl 2
Parasite by alex1234321 4
Spiritualist by MorganTheMod 2

Reworks
Framer Rework by EtherealEnder 3
Hypnotist Rework by Benn3 1

Other
Vampire Faction by Benn3 2
Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709 6

We will be doing a tiebreaker! The following roles received enough votes and will automatically be tested in the TG:

Gossip by Brilliand
Mystic by Cabohhh
Chaos Gamemode: Modifiers by cob709

The following roles qualified for the tiebreaker. One of them will make it into the TG this month:

Agent by Salocin481
Hitman by Cabohhh
Hierophant by Cabohhh
Echo by WaveAqualei
Parasite by alex1234321

The following roles did not qualify for testing this month but received at least half the required number of votes to be tested, so they will automatically be included in the next poll. The roles that lose the tiebreaker will also fall under this category.

Matchmaker by Salocin481
Ritualist by alex1234321
Copycat by Ezradekezra
Framer Rework by EtherealEnder

The remaining roles did not receive enough votes to automatically qualify for next month's role poll. These concepts must be resubmitted in order to appear in the next role poll, preferably with edits:

Sniper by Benn3
Expatriate by Ezradekezra
Soldier by Benn3
Sandman by MorganTheMod
Assassin by Benn3
Bomb Slinger by MorganTheMod
Mage by syjfwbaobfwl
Spiritualist by MorganTheMod
Hypnotist Rework by Benn3
Vampire Faction by Benn3

The tiebreaker uses approval voting and will last until . Vote for your favorite roles now!
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:47 am

/vote Hierophant /vote Parasite

Agent seems interesting but it would mostly just be used to bypass TPs, which doesn't really require much skill.
Hitman is independent Mafia Killing, which is almost never a good idea.
I'm not sure how Hierophant would work in terms of balancing, but it seems different from existing roles and could probably be balanced based on testing.
Echo seems like a Witch/Klepto remake and isn't very original.
Parasite could be volatile, but it has a strong risk-reward dynamic and a high skill ceiling.
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Cabohhh » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:17 am

/vote Agent
/vote Hitman
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby runningwiththepower » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:28 pm

I already submitted my votes to Cabohhh because I thought they were running the tiebreaker. Do I need to resubmit them ?
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Cabohhh » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:06 pm

No it should be fine, I'm just making mine public.
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Brilliand » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:19 pm

I'll do the same:

/vote Parasite
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:21 pm

/vote Hitman

Neat concept, would probably like it to be Coven-exclusive tho
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby alex1234321 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:50 am

Ezradekezra wrote:/vote Hitman

Neat concept, would probably like it to be Coven-exclusive tho


If you think a MAFIA role would only be balanced in COVEN games then doesn't that say something about that role's balance?
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby Ezradekezra » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:54 am

alex1234321 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:/vote Hitman

Neat concept, would probably like it to be Coven-exclusive tho

If you think a MAFIA role would only be balanced in COVEN games then doesn't that say something about that role's balance?

Coven is balanced around a higher KPN than Classic is

Also a random chance of a lost wolf role in Classic ranked doesn't seem like the best of ideas
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby alex1234321 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:20 am

Ezradekezra wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:/vote Hitman

Neat concept, would probably like it to be Coven-exclusive tho

If you think a MAFIA role would only be balanced in COVEN games then doesn't that say something about that role's balance?

Coven is balanced around a higher KPN than Classic is

Also a random chance of a lost wolf role in Classic ranked doesn't seem like the best of ideas

The Coven faction is balanced around having higher KPN. The Mafia faction is balanced around deception. If Mafia gets overpowered in Coven games then that's a problem with Mafia being too weak or Coven being too strong. Adding Coven-like roles into the Mafia isn't the proper way to solve that problem.
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Re: TG Role/Concept Poll | Voting

Postby EtherealEnder » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:23 pm

/vote Hitman
/vote Parasite
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