Appealing last 2 suspensions.

[Maximus20]

If you people cannot clarify your rules nor stick to them, I think there should be no rules at all.

[TrialBot]

Here are your reports:

• Gamethrowing
• Gamethrowing
• Hate speech/Harassment

[Maximus20]

In the first report, I pushed someone up, he claimed ret and there was clearly a cc, ganja NEVER CLAIMED at all, neither alive nor in jail and got exed because of that. I don't know how that counts as gamethrowing, town already lost so I left the game since it wouldn't do any good if i stayed since we already lost majority, how is me saying to guilty a ret cause there was a cc and exeing someone who didnt claim CONSIDERED GAMETHROWING?

Also for the second report you guys even stated in your rules that if you are the last mafia WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING you can out yourself. CLEARLY I was going to be hanged, I am MAF im not NE to side with ww, nor to side with EVILS. I only side with mafia, and mafia had 0 chances of winning since I was going to 1000% be hanged since I was found as scum protecting another mafia who died the same night, I realized I was going to be hanged anyway so I told the jailor that i'm the last maf since the mafioso/gf (I don't remember) died. Me losing which made EVILS lose and not mafias (since i was going to be hanged either way) is gamethrowing how??? If you can't even follow your own guidelines on how to report someone I suggest you just abolish gamethrowing on a whole.

[Meandrina]

In report 2509668, your most recent....
There was one person who suggested hanging you on day 4. At the start of day 5, you outted yourself first to jailor in whisper and then to everyone in chat. At the time there was 4 town, jester, ww, and you alive. It was still anyone's game. That is far from unwinnable and if u think you were to be hanged, why didn't you just wait to see if they hung you, or even if you got voted up BEFORE claiming to be maf. Nevermind, you don't need to reply. You already answered that int he game saying you give up because the ww killed your maf, you were giving up, and done with the game.

In report 2485693, you intentionally left the game. This by itself is against the rules and is the reason you were guiltied.

You seem to give up when the going gets rough. Start playing the game until the end and trying from start to finish. It's also a good life skill.

[Maximus20]

In report 2509668, your most recent....
There was one person who suggested hanging you on day 4. At the start of day 5, you outted yourself first to jailor in whisper and then to everyone in chat. At the time there was 4 town, jester, ww, and you alive. It was still anyone's game. That is far from unwinnable and if u think you were to be hanged, why didn't you just wait to see if they hung you, or even if you got voted up BEFORE claiming to be maf. Nevermind, you don't need to reply. You already answered that int he game saying you give up because the ww killed your maf, you were giving up, and done with the game.

In report 2485693, you intentionally left the game. This by itself is against the rules and is the reason you were guiltied.

You seem to give up when the going gets rough. Start playing the game until the end and trying from start to finish. It's also a good life skill.

Are you high judge? ww and jester are not on my side. I am mafia I am not nk nor ne. I will not stay in a game to make sure that they win, I WAS 100% GOING TO BE HANGED IN THAT GAME. The first report as you said, I cannot be reported for "leaving" since 1. Leaving punishes you by deducting 30 elo from you, and 2. even if i stayed town had ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF WINNING. Stop trying to inflict false punishment on me especially for the first report because leaving when town is guaranteed to lose is NOT gamethrowing in the slightest. You people even said in your rules that you can leave or out yourself if you have ZERO PERCENT chance of winning and town had zero literally z e r o chance of winning that game, there was no form of gamethrowing for me leaving when town 100% lost. What about the sheriff that threw by not claiming a role at all? what happened to him? stop inflicting false reports and giving false suspensions and then bending the rules to how you see fit.

[Maximus20]

https://imgur.com/a/oRhDb9u Taken straight from TOS wiki.

[LevinSnakesRise]

https://imgur.com/a/oRhDb9u Taken straight from TOS wiki.

The wiki is outdated and fan-ran. While I among a few other staff are on it, there are actual updated guidelines here;
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7V ... 9Puqj97pc/

If you click 'Leaving' which is under Gamethrowing, any intentional leaving is punishable. We can inflict punishment per our guidelines regardless what the Developers do for your ELO, loss streak, etc.

[Maximus20]

https://imgur.com/a/oRhDb9u Taken straight from TOS wiki.

The wiki is outdated and fan-ran. While I among a few other staff are on it, there are actual updated guidelines here;
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7V ... 9Puqj97pc/

If you click 'Leaving' which is under Gamethrowing, any intentional leaving is punishable. We can inflict punishment per our guidelines regardless what the Developers do for your ELO, loss streak, etc.

Leaving when your team is certain to lose is the same as leaving after you have died, which should inflict NO DAMAGE whatsoever. I see NO PROBLEM at all if someone leaves when their team is certain to lose 100% and we both know that if you suspend someone for leaving after their team loss 100% it was just because you wanted to suspend that person for no reason, also how can we follow rules that are not made public to us? Isn't that your fault that you haven't given out the proper and "updated" rules to the community? If the one I gave was outdated, why is there no notation of that whatsoever on the website? why is there no notation of a new and updated version anywhere on the internet? why do I have to get a link from a mod AFTER being suspended from following the proper game rules that was given online about the game? Stop putting excuses on me leaving when our team had already lost, what was the point of staying in the game? what benefit would it have been if i had stayed and not leave? If i didn't leave would our team win somehow? tell me? answer me.

[Maximus20]

https://imgur.com/a/ovUJSW4 Here we go again, I said i'm going to take a shower, you don't have to leave the game to take a shower. I left the game when town was 100% going to lose, there is NO PROBLEM whatsoever about that, even if im the the last of 2 townies left against 4 mafias, once i say "im leaving" and i leave i will get banned for such offence? Stop putting unreliable bans on people's accounts.

[Jerme]

Intentional leaving is nothing you should do at all. You can still wait until the game is over. As a Jailor you still have influence on the game and can turn events, even without executes.

[Maximus20]

Intentional leaving is nothing you should do at all. You can still wait until the game is over. As a Jailor you still have influence on the game and can turn events, even without executes.

How could I do that when the town lost the majority, everybody also calling me an idiot and not listening to me because I executed a sheriff who wouldn't claim, but most importantly as I said, TOWN LOST MAJORITY, what can a jailor do with 4 mafias + ne alive vs 3 townies? It isn't even simple math, something simpler. Just please stop giving excuses to the situation, town was guaranteed to lose and I staying wouldn't change that, and leaving that game cannot be considered gamethrowing just because I left a game that was certain for our loss, I think you should at least go through the report a bit before commenting or such, not trying to be rude since you clearly did not read the report.

[Maximus20]

In report 2509668, your most recent....
There was one person who suggested hanging you on day 4. At the start of day 5, you outted yourself first to jailor in whisper and then to everyone in chat. At the time there was 4 town, jester, ww, and you alive. It was still anyone's game. That is far from unwinnable and if u think you were to be hanged, why didn't you just wait to see if they hung you, or even if you got voted up BEFORE claiming to be maf. Nevermind, you don't need to reply. You already answered that int he game saying you give up because the ww killed your maf, you were giving up, and done with the game.

In report 2485693, you intentionally left the game. This by itself is against the rules and is the reason you were guiltied.

You seem to give up when the going gets rough. Start playing the game until the end and trying from start to finish. It's also a good life skill.

https://imgur.com/a/ovUJSW4 You don't even know the rules yourself, since it clearly states that leaving is not considered punishable but yoou're here saying that leaving is against the rules? Stop contradicting yourself and the rules, clearly bending the rules to how you see fit.

[Flavorable]

In report 2509668, your most recent....
There was one person who suggested hanging you on day 4. At the start of day 5, you outted yourself first to jailor in whisper and then to everyone in chat. At the time there was 4 town, jester, ww, and you alive. It was still anyone's game. That is far from unwinnable and if u think you were to be hanged, why didn't you just wait to see if they hung you, or even if you got voted up BEFORE claiming to be maf. Nevermind, you don't need to reply. You already answered that int he game saying you give up because the ww killed your maf, you were giving up, and done with the game.

In report 2485693, you intentionally left the game. This by itself is against the rules and is the reason you were guiltied.

You seem to give up when the going gets rough. Start playing the game until the end and trying from start to finish. It's also a good life skill.

https://imgur.com/a/ovUJSW4 You don't even know the rules yourself, since it clearly states that leaving is not considered punishable but yoou're here saying that leaving is against the rules? Stop contradicting yourself and the rules, clearly bending the rules to how you see fit.

Did you read the part starting with "EXCEPTION"? It clearly states that intentional leaving is against the rules.

[Maximus20]

In report 2509668, your most recent....
There was one person who suggested hanging you on day 4. At the start of day 5, you outted yourself first to jailor in whisper and then to everyone in chat. At the time there was 4 town, jester, ww, and you alive. It was still anyone's game. That is far from unwinnable and if u think you were to be hanged, why didn't you just wait to see if they hung you, or even if you got voted up BEFORE claiming to be maf. Nevermind, you don't need to reply. You already answered that int he game saying you give up because the ww killed your maf, you were giving up, and done with the game.

In report 2485693, you intentionally left the game. This by itself is against the rules and is the reason you were guiltied.

You seem to give up when the going gets rough. Start playing the game until the end and trying from start to finish. It's also a good life skill.

https://imgur.com/a/ovUJSW4 You don't even know the rules yourself, since it clearly states that leaving is not considered punishable but yoou're here saying that leaving is against the rules? Stop contradicting yourself and the rules, clearly bending the rules to how you see fit.

Did you read the part starting with "EXCEPTION"? It clearly states that intentional leaving is against the rules.

Did you read my part where I said "Saying that i'm going to take a shower doesn't mean i'm going to leave the game"? You can take a shower and go afk, HECK some people actually say they're going afk or taking a shower and still play in the sly or when pushed up they talk and say they weren't afk to begin with. Saying i'm going to take a shower I can still perform my night ability which was jailing people and what would that have done in a 3 town vs 4 maf + 1 ne while town wasn't listening to me in the first place cause i exed a non claiming sheriff and got a ret hanged with a cc? And answer my question please sir, if there are 2 townies remaining and 4 mafias alive, 1 is a jailor with no exes and the other is a medium and I'm the jailor and I say "There's no point in playing anymore I'M LEAVING!" And leave, is that considered gamethrowing? Answer me, because the same rules that Naru sent clearly states the definition of gamethrowing as "Gamethrowing occurs when a player is actively and intentionally working to harm their or their team's chances of WINNING." The word winning should be in quotations, bolded, italized and in all caps because if there's ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF WINNING (hence losing majority in my game as I said) then it should NOT be filed as gamethrowing since there was no game to WIN in the first place. Stop cherry picking.

[Flavorable]

Leaving gets handled under the Gamethrowing reason, yes. They have now switched back to the more specific "Leaving" reason, but that does not negate the fact that leaving whilst alive and while there is still a chance to win, however small, is simply against the rules.
And the same goes for being AFK.

Even the basic rules state as such.


Reference.

[Jerme]

Leaving gets handled under the Gamethrowing reason, yes. They have now switched back to the more specific "Leaving" reason, but that does not negate the fact that leaving whilst alive and while there is still a chance to win, however small, is simply against the rules.
And the same goes for being AFK.

Even the basic rules state as such.


Stop, please stop. Stop being unfair towards me. You still have NOT answered my question, since it does not make sense to SUSPEND someone for leaving when their side has ZERO chances of winning, as I said, if you're going to suspend someone for such a bias offence then you should also suspend people who died and say in the graveyard "I'm going to leave" since in this game, me being the jailor and alive had the same effect as someone in the graveyard, NONE. You people are not being fair towards me. LEAVING WITH ZERO PERCENT CHANCES OF WINNING CANNOT BE FILED FOR GAMETHROWING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GAME TO THROW IN THE FIRST PLACE. I don't get what part of ZERO you don't understand since you're still insisting that town had some "slight chance" of winning with ne + 4 mafias alive and they were going to hang me or another townie then kill, regardless.
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Leaving gets handled under the Gamethrowing reason, yes. They have now switched back to the more specific "Leaving" reason, but that does not negate the fact that leaving whilst alive and while there is still a chance to win, however small, is simply against the rules.
And the same goes for being AFK.

Even the basic rules state as such.


Reference.

https://imgur.com/a/ovUJSW4

Your rules are right here, another moderator contradicting yourself, you send me a pic saying No leaving, that pic says NOTHING about intentional leaving in the slightest, once again the "updated" rules is nowhere to be found online but given to me from a mod in the FORUMS, a place on a game where not even half of the community go to but you have the audacity to send me a photo that says "No leaving in live game" then send me an "updated" rule book that says leaving will NOT be considered punishable, you then proceed to tell me that INTENTIONAL leaving may warrant a suspension but you tell me this AFTER i was suspended and there is no notation nor information about intentionally leaving gets you suspended nor leaving for no reason does NOT get you suspended ON THE TOS WEBSITE. Once again another one contradicting themselves, and the rules. If you guys are going to keep switching the rules and bending it just for your benefit, you should get rid of the rules on a whole or upload the "updated" version of the rules to the game website, take down the old rules from other sites or put that it is outdated and put a link to the new ones, you cannot punish people for rules that you haven't even shown them at all. Better yet, changing and going to and from the old to the new rules just to prove a point that is INVALID.

[Jerme]

Even the basic rules state that you should not leave, so there is no contractidction when you get punished for leaving imo.
We know how unstable the game can be, so we may be a bit lenient on leaving, but thats all.

[Maximus20]

Even the basic rules state that you should not leave, so there is no contractidction when you get punished for leaving imo.
We know how unstable the game can be, so we may be a bit lenient on leaving, but thats all.

The basic rules aka the only rule on the official TOS webpage says you should not leave, so why aren't the people that leave randomly not punished? Answer me please without giving me an answer from the new and updated rules that is NOT on the official tos page. If you're going to just pick and choose who you want to ban/suspend (based on your "official rule") on the OFFICIAL TOS webpage then that just says that you guys are bias and want to ban/suspend whoever you want, the fact that you guys are failing to realize that you are in the wrong is what is sickening also, I'm glad for all the people that have been pming me telling me that i'm in the right because they're afraid to stand up to you guys. It isn't fair for people to be suspended/banned because the moderators, devs, admins failed to do their job, which is updating the OFFICIAL TOS WEBPAGE (the first thing that should be updated before anything else) about the new rules.

[Jerme]

The rules haven't changed, the link you were given just outlines them more. We cannot determine how a player left and I know it can be quite frustrating to get suspenden for something ut of ones control, which means we suspend those we know have left intentionally.
Feel free to give me the "bias"-card, if you wish.

Just keep in mind that neither of us mods can edit the website and thus we cannot do that job you attempt to pin on us.

[Maximus20]

The rules haven't changed, the link you were given just outlines them more. We cannot determine how a player left and I know it can be quite frustrating to get suspenden for something ut of ones control, which means we suspend those we know have left intentionally.
Feel free to give me the "bias"-card, if you wish.

Just keep in mind that neither of us mods can edit the website and thus we cannot do that job you attempt to pin on us.

I do know this, but I thought your job was also to relay feedback to the devs, I think?

[TurdPile]

And they were relayed.

Report is valid and valid suspensions may not be appealed.

Appeal Denied.