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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Superalex11 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:54 pm

You people need to get over yourselves. Words can't hurt you, and words on an internet forum can't magically hurt kids either.
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby dolphina » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:09 pm

Superalex11 wrote:You people need to get over yourselves. Words can't hurt you, and words on an internet forum can't magically hurt kids either.

It's fucking pedophilia I just- why? Why are you doing this? There is no benefit unless your sick, twisted mind finds this enjoyable. Heed my advice
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Brilliand » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:01 pm

dolphina wrote:
Superalex11 wrote:You people need to get over yourselves. Words can't hurt you, and words on an internet forum can't magically hurt kids either.

It's fucking pedophilia I just- why? Why are you doing this? There is no benefit unless your sick, twisted mind finds this enjoyable. Heed my advice


Why are you trying to shoot down any attempt to treat this subject neutrally?

You appear to be advocating that we treat kiromishiro21 as the worst of monsters... because he asked a question about something related to pedophilia. He doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

The mention of pedophilia is quite different from the act of pedophilia. Active pedophilia harms children. Mentioning pedophilia does not. This hateful death spiral around any mention of pedophilia? Does harm children, because it simultaneously makes it hard for children to learn what pedophilia is, and punishes them for wanting to learn. (It also harms adults in exactly the same way, though I'm guessing that isn't as interesting.)

kiromishiro21 isn't a pedophile, he's someone who asked a question about something he didn't understand.
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby kiromishiro21 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:47 am

dolphina wrote:
Superalex11 wrote:You people need to get over yourselves. Words can't hurt you, and words on an internet forum can't magically hurt kids either.

It's fucking pedophilia I just- why? Why are you doing this? There is no benefit unless your sick, twisted mind finds this enjoyable. Heed my advice



Hey Take care of your words, I respect everyone equally so you should respect me too .... I just wanted to understand the opinion of others and I wanted to give my opinion too. I understand more or less your anger but it does not seem like the way ... A forum is to debate it is not to shut up or to incite violence because it seems that you want everyone to disown me ...
And I only seek the best for the game and the different communities.

So my final conclusion is that the word must be filtered to avoid unfair sanctions.

I just hope they keep giving innocent to these words:
Tsundere - Yandere - Kuudere - Dandere - Moe - Genki girls - Maids - Meganekko - Dojikko - Bokukko - Bifauxen - Oppais - Waifus -Tsundere -Traps - Kemonomimi - Neko - Tsunshu ...
Because they are types anime characters and if someone puts one of those words as a name in Town of Salem ... I consider that it does not harm anyone
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby dolphina » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:37 am

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dolphina wrote:It's fucking pedophilia I just- why? Why are you doing this? There is no benefit unless your sick, twisted mind finds this enjoyable. Heed my advice


Why are you trying to shoot down any attempt to treat this subject neutrally?

You appear to be advocating that we treat kiromishiro21 as the worst of monsters... because he asked a question about something related to pedophilia. He doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

The mention of pedophilia is quite different from the act of pedophilia. Active pedophilia harms children. Mentioning pedophilia does not. This hateful death spiral around any mention of pedophilia? Does harm children, because it simultaneously makes it hard for children to learn what pedophilia is, and punishes them for wanting to learn. (It also harms adults in exactly the same way, though I'm guessing that isn't zaas interesting.)

kiromishiro21 isn't a pedophile, he's someone who asked a question about something he didn't understand.


Yes, I understand that. However, I was responding to Superalex11's comment. Sorry for that not being clear. I understand that you will probably ignore this statement and keep going on about the same topic, because that's what's to be expected. However, I will explain the statement.

Superalex11 is implying that saying "Loli" is okay. The sexualization of children is not okay, I'm sure you understand that. That's why it fills me with anguish that ANYONE would say something like that is okay, which is basically what superalex11 was doing. I'm sure, Brilliand, that you didn't mean for this, but since you snipped the quote that I was replying to, it makes me look like I was saying that to kiromishiro21. It's completely understandable that someone new to here would ask that kind of question.
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Brilliand » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:59 pm

dolphina wrote:I was responding to Superalex11's comment. Sorry for that not being clear.

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I'm sure, Brilliand, that you didn't mean for this, but since you snipped the quote that I was replying to, it makes me look like I was saying that to kiromishiro21. It's completely understandable that someone new to here would ask that kind of question.


Oh... I knew you were replying to superalex, but I didn't consider that my quoting pattern might confuse others. I've edited that quote back into my post.

dolphina wrote:I understand that you will probably ignore this statement and keep going on about the same topic, because that's what's to be expected. However, I will explain the statement.


Well, I can't very well ignore the rest after you've said something like that!

dolphina wrote:Superalex11 is implying that saying "Loli" is okay. The sexualization of children is not okay, I'm sure you understand that. That's why it fills me with anguish that ANYONE would say something like that is okay, which is basically what superalex11 was doing.


I find myself in an awkward position, because on the one hand, I sympathize with superalex - I don't have much of an emotional reaction to most of the bad words that are forbidden around here, and it kind of annoys me that anyone else does. On the other hand, you're right that sexualizing things that look like children puts children at risk, and I wouldn't want get too close to arguing with someone who's right.

Well, if I don't like seeing someone I relate to getting called "sick and twisted", I'd better point out his mistakes in my own way.

Superalex11 wrote:You people need to get over yourselves. Words can't hurt you, and words on an internet forum can't magically hurt kids either.


Words do inform behavior. A habit of behaving in certain ways on an internet forum is pretty certain to translate into real action for someone, somewhere down the line.

I'm sure you understand that on some level, because there would be no point in objecting to people getting mad about bad words if the "getting mad about bad words" didn't translate into real action at some point.

You stopped by here to tell everyone who's feeling strong emotions about this that they shouldn't be feeling strong emotions about this. Can you provide support for that view? Because I can't, and I'm pretty sure "I don't feel any strong emotions about this" isn't sufficient support for "and you shouldn't either".
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Superalex11 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:44 pm

dolphina wrote:Superalex11 is implying that saying "Loli" is okay. The sexualization of children is not okay, I'm sure you understand that. That's why it fills me with anguish that ANYONE would say something like that is okay, which is basically what superalex11 was doing.

Yes, saying "loli" is okay. Similarly, saying "dead baby" is okay. The individual word/phrase itself should not be impermissible. When someone says "dead baby" they do not mean they like dead babies, they do not mean they want babies to be dead, they do not mean babies should be dead, etc. Similarly, when someone says "loli" they do not mean they like sexualizing children, they do not mean they want children to be sexualized, and they do not mean children should be sexualized.
Nobody here, or really anywhere, is in favor of the sexualization of children. Nobody here is arguing that the sexualization of children should be allowed. And as the word "loli" cannot itself do such, there should be no problem with the word itself. To be clear, there is already unanimous support for the banning of any word, phrase, statement, etc. which, within the context it's said, constitutes the sexualization of children. For example, the IGN "lolifucker" is obviously going to get a trial guilty and nobody is going to be against it.
(*Also, just so you know, all IGN reports I've found for "dead babies" and similar from 2019-present are inno'd)


Brilliand wrote:A habit of behaving in certain ways on an internet forum is pretty certain to translate into real action for someone, somewhere down the line.

Right. And if any individual does make a habit of speaking or acting in ways which reflect a concerted effort to sexualize children, they should not be playing this game. Again, the point here is that a word cannot itself constitute such a problem.

Brilliand wrote:You stopped by here to tell everyone who's feeling strong emotions about this that they shouldn't be feeling strong emotions about this. Can you provide support for that view? Because I can't, and I'm pretty sure "I don't feel any strong emotions about this" isn't sufficient support for "and you shouldn't either".

We can start by understanding that emotional thinking in place of rational thinking is a poor way to live life generally, and will tend to lead to worse results in most all areas of decision-making. And following from that we can recognize that, as I've stated above, a single word cannot convey significant enough meaning to warrant severe punishment for its use without context.
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby dolphina » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:15 pm

Superalex11 wrote:
dolphina wrote:Superalex11 is implying that saying "Loli" is okay. The sexualization of children is not okay, I'm sure you understand that. That's why it fills me with anguish that ANYONE would say something like that is okay, which is basically what superalex11 was doing.

Yes, saying "loli" is okay. Similarly, saying "dead baby" is okay. The individual word/phrase itself should not be impermissible. When someone says "dead baby" they do not mean they like dead babies, they do not mean they want babies to be dead, they do not mean babies should be dead, etc. Similarly, when someone says "loli" they do not mean they like sexualizing children, they do not mean they want children to be sexualized, and they do not mean children should be sexualized.
Nobody here, or really anywhere, is in favor of the sexualization of children. Nobody here is arguing that the sexualization of children should be allowed. And as the word "loli" cannot itself do such, there should be no problem with the word itself. To be clear, there is already unanimous support for the banning of any word, phrase, statement, etc. which, within the context it's said, constitutes the sexualization of children. For example, the IGN "lolifucker" is obviously going to get a trial guilty and nobody is going to be against it.
(*Also, just so you know, all IGN reports I've found for "dead babies" and similar from 2019-present are inno'd)


I do hope you realize that the sexualization of children is much different from talking about dead children.

Superalex11 wrote:
Brilliand wrote:A habit of behaving in certain ways on an internet forum is pretty certain to translate into real action for someone, somewhere down the line.

Right. And if any individual does make a habit of speaking or acting in ways which reflect a concerted effort to sexualize children, they should not be playing this game. Again, the point here is that a word cannot itself constitute such a problem.


it seems someone has been ignoring everything before this point

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Brilliand wrote:You stopped by here to tell everyone who's feeling strong emotions about this that they shouldn't be feeling strong emotions about this. Can you provide support for that view? Because I can't, and I'm pretty sure "I don't feel any strong emotions about this" isn't sufficient support for "and you shouldn't either".

We can start by understanding that emotional thinking in place of rational thinking is a poor way to live life generally, and will tend to lead to worse results in most all areas of decision-making. And following from that we can recognize that, as I've stated above, a single word cannot convey significant enough meaning to warrant severe punishment for its use without context.

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I agree that emotional thinking is most of the time absolute fucking shit and therefore leads to absolute fucking shit results. However, a normal, balanced person should see whether to use emotional and rational thinking at different points in time. My (very shriveled up) emotional thinking says that THE SEXUALIZATION OF CHILDS IS BAD AND FUCK THIS GUY UP JUST FUCK HIM UP DESTROY HIS LIFE
My rational thinking says I should slowly and calmly explain why sexualizing children is bad. (And also question why I have to write that.)

The solution I have come up with: act like the word is a slur, and therefore banned.

"a single word cannot convey significant enough meaning to warrant severe punishment for its use without context."

Ever heard of the racist slur
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Helicooler » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:24 am

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dolphina wrote:Surprise motherfucker INTP in your face
I agree that emotional thinking is most of the time absolute fucking shit and therefore leads to absolute fucking shit results. However, a normal, balanced person should see whether to use emotional and rational thinking at different points in time. My (very shriveled up) emotional thinking says that THE SEXUALIZATION OF CHILDS IS BAD AND FUCK THIS GUY UP JUST FUCK HIM UP DESTROY HIS LIFE
My rational thinking says I should slowly and calmly explain why sexualizing children is bad. (And also question why I have to write that.)

The solution I have come up with: act like the word is a slur, and therefore banned.

"a single word cannot convey significant enough meaning to warrant severe punishment for its use without context."

Ever heard of the racist slur

how many people do you see offended by just seeing the word "loli" when used in a way that there is obviously no malicious intent

you used the word yourself that way so clearly you must think it isn't many

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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Helicooler » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:07 am

Hellosither wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Hellosither wrote:
dolphina wrote:Surprise motherfucker INTP in your face
I agree that emotional thinking is most of the time absolute fucking shit and therefore leads to absolute fucking shit results. However, a normal, balanced person should see whether to use emotional and rational thinking at different points in time. My (very shriveled up) emotional thinking says that THE SEXUALIZATION OF CHILDS IS BAD AND FUCK THIS GUY UP JUST FUCK HIM UP DESTROY HIS LIFE
My rational thinking says I should slowly and calmly explain why sexualizing children is bad. (And also question why I have to write that.)

The solution I have come up with: act like the word is a slur, and therefore banned.

"a single word cannot convey significant enough meaning to warrant severe punishment for its use without context."

Ever heard of the racist slur

how many people do you see offended by just seeing the word "loli" when used in a way that there is obviously no malicious intent

you used the word yourself that way so clearly you must think it isn't many

guys my rights have been infringed because i cant name myself after anime child guys help

yes because my argument definitely had everything to do with naming myself an anime child

not my point
my point is this entire argument is not worth having
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby Brilliand » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:19 pm

I keep looking at that "Lolita fashion" meaning, and thinking "why are Japanese women voluntarily calling themselves 'lolita'?"

Answer: the word means "cute and sexy," both of which are compliments for women.

So now there's a way that the word is positive, in a way that is different from but not drastically different from sexualizing children.

Humans make all kinds of weird associations, and drawing a hard line frequently goes wrong.
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby MacReturned » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:14 am

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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby GhzCrlVct » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:44 am

Hey, OP!

Unlike the N Word, which if allowed by the developers would cause their office to be raided by BLM activists, there are no Loli Activists, so they have no reason to ban this word, although I doubt our discussions on the topic has any effect on their decision to bad or not ban this word to begin with.

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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby zerofsalemX » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:04 am

Isn't Loli already banned because it refers to lolitas?
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby dolphina » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:28 am

Why did you necro this old thread
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Re: Anime Community (¨Loli¨)

Postby ProjectSuperBoy » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 pm

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