DR XXII - Heaven vs Hell (End!)

[Hawkwing425]

Well... The list of stuff taken from the storage the first night doesn't have anything that could be used to stab someone in the head, and I've got aaaaaaaall the knives. Whoever the killer was had to have gotten something sharp at some point. And if the storage was really set on fire by you during Action 3, no one would have been able to get something like that from the storage without having been spotted by Letitia and I, 'cause we were in the storage during the first two actions of last night and the storage was useless afterwards. A glowstick couldn't have been the weapon in the scenario you proposed, 'cause the firework's heat would have melted the plastic of the glowstick, and a glowstick wouldn't have enough force to break the skull anyways. Trust me, fireworks burn like a bitch, and Johnny didn't find any burns on her body.

What I'm trying to say is that there's pretty much no way it could have been Lizelotte. It's you or Johnny.

[GrumpyGoomba]

"I... Uh... Thanks... I'm still mad at you, but I suppose I won't hold a grudge."

[Multiuniverse]

Then what's the murder weapon?

Something from the storage room

[GrumpyGoomba]

"If Magnus really did set the storage on fire then I couldn't possibly have gotten a weapon from there, since... well... the storage was on fire?"

[Multiuniverse]

Actually, it's even more unlikely, since you'd have to use half an action to go to the Storage in the first place, and you spent half of Action 4 arguing with Sue. You'd need the equivalent of a full action to go to the Storage, find a weapon at minimum, maybe set up a trap if it really was a trap, and then leave. You didn't have any time to get a weapon beforehand, if I'm right, Lizzy.
Johnny and Magnus are the only two of us five who could have had the time to both get a weapon and kill Sue.

I mean what fits in an action is subjective, how do we know for sure that all of that can't fit in an action

Well... The list of stuff taken from the storage the first night doesn't have anything that could be used to stab someone in the head, and I've got aaaaaaaall the knives. Whoever the killer was had to have gotten something sharp at some point. And if the storage was really set on fire by you during Action 3, no one would have been able to get something like that from the storage without having been spotted by Letitia and I, 'cause we were in the storage during the first two actions of last night and the storage was useless afterwards. A glowstick couldn't have been the weapon in the scenario you proposed, 'cause the firework's heat would have melted the plastic of the glowstick, and a glowstick wouldn't have enough force to break the skull anyways. Trust me, fireworks burn like a bitch, and Johnny didn't find any burns on her body.

What I'm trying to say is that there's pretty much no way it could have been Lizelotte. It's you or Johnny.

Action 4 the storage is still burning so it'd be possible to get something from the still-burning boxes

Regardless you still haven't addressed my point regarding the footprints

One last point is that Liz was the last one to give alibis, so Magnus, if he was the culprit, ran the risk of lying about being in the kitchen since he didn't know whether anyone was in the kitchen at the time.

[GrumpyGoomba]

"From what I gathered, Magnus set the storage on fire by employing a molotov. If that was indeed the method then it could have easily been thrown from the outside of the storage, and then he may have proceeded to make preparations for a trap, resulting in the footprints.
About the alibis, I cannot say it was anything other than a coincidence. Giving the alibi last wasn't really a something that occurred to me as standing out at the time.
Another thing I wished to mention was why would Magnus actually want to set the storage on fire? Was it really just for the heck of it as he said or was there a hidden agenda? Was it really a coincidence that both the fire as well as the murder scene were situated in the storage? As far as I know fire is indeed quite an effective way of destroying evidence."

[LetitiaWilson]

"Just pointing out, Liz could've got the item used for the murder while she was with us.

However, Liz also has a point - why set the storage on fire? At least with me and Kam setting the bar on fire, there's a pretty good reason - we're a pair of chaotic idiots who need constant supervision.

But burning storage? It's a perfect way to make sure we can't tell what anyone took last night, and there's no other reason to set the place in fire that makes sense,"

[UzayAltay]

Kam'rae for some reason I thought glowstick is glass. yeah , you are right about you cannot stab somebody with plastic.
EDIT: Johny even though what being an action is subjective, I think it is impossible to make 2 actions in 2 different rooms.
But , as I said before , we dont know whether they waste time to speak with Sue , theh may have used their skill.

[Hawkwing425]

[quote=“Letitia”]At least with me and Kam setting the bar on fire, there's a pretty good reason - we're a pair of chaotic idiots who need constant supervision.[/quote]
Hehehe, yeah we are. Anyways, just remembered... I didn’t notice any footprints by the bottle, or leading to the bottle.

[Segaco]

(Theres's around 8 hours left. Do tell if you guys need an extension.)

Votes

Who killed the Sniper?

Voting options -- # of votes

Magnus Carlsen - 2 votes
Lizelotte - 1 vote
Letitia Wilson - 0 votes
Kam'rae - 0 votes
Johnny - 0 votes
Sue Sniper (suicide) - 0 votes
The call of duty hype - 0 votes
Ibney's lamp - 0 votes
An allergic reaction to dying - 0 votes
An AccIdEntTT stOPidd - 0 votes

[Hawkwing425]

I wonder if the storage was actually set on fire in action 4...

[UzayAltay]

TBH at The end it comes to Letitia choosing one of me/Lizolette over The other .
(Assuming votes on on me are made by Kam'rae and Lizolette when Lizolette is voted by Johny . )

Kam'rae , I think You are thinking I am murder. Can I ask What Do You think my Alibi is ?
Also , Did You notice anything that both You and Johny didnt mentioned , and thinking it may be important ? (Especially something that can explain How "trap" was set ?

[LetitiaWilson]

"Bold of you to assume I would vote in a normal manner,"

[Hawkwing425]

Magnus, you already gave your alibi, dipshit. Anyways, I'm having trouble piecing it all together because SOMEONE, Johnny, didn't bother to check what weapon actually stabbed Sue in the head. I'm not exactly a super-detective.

[UzayAltay]

@Letitia not deciding is Also A decision
@Kam'rae TBH I asked You Because even though I think Lizollette is The blackened , I Dont know How they Did that, and You may help me in A brainstorm.
@Johny If You have something You didnt consider as important and now think may be important , it is time to speak .

[Hawkwing425]

It's about the weapon, and who would have been able to get the weapon. Because Lizelotte had such a small timeframe to set everything up, especially if the storage was burning like you said, I don't think it's her. Even if she went to get stuff from a burning box, she would have burned her hands. That puts it between you and Johnny, because she wouldn't have been able to get a weapon during the first night, right?

[Multiuniverse]

Magnus, you already gave your alibi, dipshit. Anyways, I'm having trouble piecing it all together because SOMEONE, Johnny, didn't bother to check what weapon actually stabbed Sue in the head. I'm not exactly a super-detective.

I can't check it if no weapon is present
I already explained that the wound can only be caused by something sharp piercing it
Im not a fucking seer

Furthermore the footprints indicate that the culprit got the item from the box during or after the fire, so the issue of "oh she'll burn her hand does not matter since we know it happens definitely

[Hawkwing425]

Wait, nothing was stuck in Sue's head? Huh. Also, we don't know it's a definite thing, and it's probably not. How could Lizzy have gone to the storage, gotten what she needed to kill Sue, killed Sue, and then left the room in the equivalent of 1 action?

[UzayAltay]

Wait
I realized sth
You are saying killer directly Walked to A box , and probably Take sth from it , right ?
Or other words , killer didnt search The item they took , they just went it and took it , right ?

@Kam'rae they may Leave at A5 end rather Than A5 start , they didnt Do any Action in ES in A5. If they Go storage at A4 start , and Leave A5 end , it still give 2 subactions . More , If killer really Knew The placement of item they need , even 1 Action may be enough .

[Hawkwing425]

But Lizelotte spent the first half of Action 4 arguing with Sue. She did that, then left to go somewhere else, had one subaction to spare, then went to the Earth Simulator at the end of Action 5.

[Multiuniverse]

I mean speaking probably doesnt take that much action

[Segaco]

Votes

Who killed the Sniper?

Voting options -- # of votes

Magnus Carlsen - 2 votes
Lizelotte - 2 votes
Ibney's lamp - 1 vote
Letitia Wilson - 0 votes
Kam'rae - 0 votes
Johnny - 0 votes
Sue Sniper (suicide) - 0 votes
The call of duty hype - 0 votes
An allergic reaction to dying - 0 votes
An AccIdEntTT stOPidd - 0 votes

[GrumpyGoomba]

"I just realized that since the body wasn't discovered by the end of A6 the culprit must've had two extra actions to work with. Perhaps they tampered with the evidence at that time and thus we don't see the presence of any trap or the murder weapon in the storage?"

[Hawkwing425]

Well, yeah, that's kind of a given. Seriously, why are those two guys so insistent on your guilt? To answer what you said, Johnny, she was trying to convince Sue to stop Letitia and I, not just throwing an offhand comment at her. Talking's not a free action, you know. Takes time.

[GrumpyGoomba]

"Magnus I can honestly understand, since he is doing this to hide his own guilt and considering how the rest of us except me have a considerably solid alibi so it's natural he'd pick me. But Johnny isn't thinking this through carefully. Now that the footprints thing has been cleared I assume his accusations are merely hunches."