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Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:30 pm
by ShylokVakarian
I've been playing a lot of Classic. It's fairly mindless, so it's kinda fun. But I've been getting executed/lynched a lot as Executioner. When I end up claiming Executioner, I'm getting executed/lynched because I'll "side with Mafia", even though I say I'll vote with town, or willingly reveal my target. I've even had similar results playing as Jester, but with less lynching and more executing, for obvious reasons. Methinks we consider Executioners and Jesters as scum a bit too much when all they are are wildcards. :roll:

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:29 am
by LtMisty
It's simple not worth the risk keeping them around, especially when town doesn't have any other leads to go on.

In my ranked matches, usually NE sides with maf ''cause they have helped'' or whatever reason, and to lose cause you didn't execute/lynch the NE early in the game, is just a shame.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:55 pm
by ShylokVakarian
True, but Jesters and Exes are a whole lot swingier than you think. I just now played a game as Jailor where a blatant jester (and an invest confirmed for me that they were a jester) was asking everyone for roles, and we were down to 5 people left alive in town, with an SK. He had who the SK could've been narrowed down to two people: Me, and the real SK. He legit helped me so much that halfway through voting on the guilt of the SK, I said "wait, inno", and voted up the jester instead, saying he deserved to win too. I executed the SK that night, along with the jester haunting them because the power of friendship is stronger (*DING!*). It was a good game. Even the SK and mafioso were pretty chill about losing.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:21 am
by Crimson97
In order to help Exe, town must lynch one of their owns and lose a valuable day which is not always viable.
In order to help jester, town must trust that the jester will kill who they told them to.
The more time it passes, the less likely it is for town to do these things because in late game numbers matter. This is why both of these roles are more likely to side with mafia. Mafia needs that extra vote from the exe and in the process they get a mislynch. They need to distract town with the jester, so they can remain alive one more night and hopefully get a town killed in the process. Most of the time it's a lot safer for them to side with mafia and that's why town doesn't want them alive. They're just too much of a wild card and, in order to help them, town needs to lose something.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:14 am
by ShylokVakarian
Crimson97 wrote:In order to help Exe, town must lynch one of their owns and lose a valuable day which is not always viable.
In order to help jester, town must trust that the jester will kill who they told them to.
The more time it passes, the less likely it is for town to do these things because in late game numbers matter. This is why both of these roles are more likely to side with mafia. Mafia needs that extra vote from the exe and in the process they get a mislynch. They need to distract town with the jester, so they can remain alive one more night and hopefully get a town killed in the process. Most of the time it's a lot safer for them to side with mafia and that's why town doesn't want them alive. They're just too much of a wild card and, in order to help them, town needs to lose something.


Yeah, but I've seen plenty of jesters and exes that quite simply don't care about winning and just chill. Mind you, I'm not talking about Ranked, but rather Classic and Ranked Practice. In Ranked, it can be pretty much guaranteed that everyone there is trying their hardest to win. Not so with Classic and Ranked Practice. You can usually easily tell who's trying to win as exe or jester and who is just chilling solely by their behavior. And yet everyone kills them off the first chance they get, which also wastes time town could be using to look for the actual scum. Even with a jailor execution, it wastes an execution that could've been used on a more appropriate scum role. I get buying a day near the end if you're running out of time, but that's not what's going on. I get that they side with mafia a lot, but they waste time early on that they could use for more pressing matters, not to mention that in Classic and Ranked Practice, there are exes and jesters that just chill instead of doing anything to win.

It just doesn't make logical sense at the casual level.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:02 am
by Feefa
What you say;

"I'm Executioner. My target is John Hathorne. I'll help town."

What this means (even if you don't intend it to);

"Hey mafia and NK. Don't kill John Hathorne for the first couple of nights, then we'll gang up and take away town's majority."

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:46 pm
by ClassyCatMeow
There’s also the fact that pretty much all NE claims are guaranteed not to be town. I’ve seen mafia members pretend to be NE but I almost never seen townies do the same. It’s almost never appropriate to claim NE as town.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:07 pm
by TechnoMotown
The problem here is that anyone who is not town is expendable to town, meaning they can kill them without any significant penalty (besides, probably wasting a night). Most townies do not really have foresight and just like to go with the simplest option. I have seen town waste so much time trying to kill a Witch that they lost majority and Mafia won, but they made sure that Witch lost.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:48 am
by Helicooler
If you think someone is jester or there is an exe who has won, try to make a deal with them, especially jester. Surprisingly, a lot of jesters keep their word if you whisper them about helping them win if they will kill a certain person.

You should try to make a deal with the exe because they won't want to leave and lose their points when they die, but they don't won't to go afk.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:52 pm
by Chemist1422
Helicooler wrote:If you think someone is jester or there is an exe who has won, try to make a deal with them, especially jester. Surprisingly, a lot of jesters keep their word if you whisper them about helping them win if they will kill a certain person.

You should try to make a deal with the exe because they won't want to leave and lose their points when they die, but they don't won't to go afk.

meh

As exe, I'll try to harm town after winning (provided I'm not lynched right after)

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:32 am
by Helicooler
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:If you think someone is jester or there is an exe who has won, try to make a deal with them, especially jester. Surprisingly, a lot of jesters keep their word if you whisper them about helping them win if they will kill a certain person.

You should try to make a deal with the exe because they won't want to leave and lose their points when they die, but they don't won't to go afk.

meh

As exe, I'll try to harm town after winning (provided I'm not lynched right after)


This does not work in All-Any at all. That is my mode of specialty so my suggestions may be slightly off, I know in Ranked if exes harm the townies, that will not end well for the exe, and so goes the endless cycle of dead exes that could save the game. You really need to break the loop if you want to have fun AFTER winning as exe.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:56 am
by kyuss420
what i wanna know is, why does maf kill the guy the exe is pushing on, losing a vote in the process?

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:54 pm
by Helicooler
I have never heard of this.
Ever.

Mafia could think that they are sherrif, or they just picked them out of random.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:41 pm
by greenrabbit7
The problem is, when I lynch exe claims, you have no way of knowing if it’s an exe or a dumb evil. Reguardless nothing is lost if the exe dies. As such, there’s no reason to keep the exe alive.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:02 am
by kosmo16
greenrabbit7 wrote:The problem is, when I lynch exe claims, you have no way of knowing if it’s an exe or a dumb evil. Reguardless nothing is lost if the exe dies. As such, there’s no reason to keep the exe alive.


Why dumb?

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:40 am
by greenrabbit7
kosmo16 wrote:
greenrabbit7 wrote:The problem is, when I lynch exe claims, you have no way of knowing if it’s an exe or a dumb evil. Reguardless nothing is lost if the exe dies. As such, there’s no reason to keep the exe alive.


Why dumb?


Claiming exe and asking to have your target lynched is a surefire way to either get yourself lynched and not technically win, meaning you’d lose your immunity if ww/arso/sk/gf and you’re likely to be shot. By vig. Because even when I get my targetlynched I get shot.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:45 pm
by Helicooler
just, dont claim exe.

claiming jester is ok though.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:45 pm
by kosmo16
greenrabbit7 wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
greenrabbit7 wrote:The problem is, when I lynch exe claims, you have no way of knowing if it’s an exe or a dumb evil. Reguardless nothing is lost if the exe dies. As such, there’s no reason to keep the exe alive.


Why dumb?


Claiming exe and asking to have your target lynched is a surefire way to either get yourself lynched and not technically win, meaning you’d lose your immunity if ww/arso/sk/gf and you’re likely to be shot. By vig. Because even when I get my targetlynched I get shot.


Oh, you mean claim exe before lynching target. Ok, that is dumb.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:42 pm
by greenrabbit7
Yeah, and ALWAYS claim exe right after a lynch. you need to be sure you're lynching a townie though

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:04 pm
by RevengeoftheRaccoon
*fakes exe*
*says Giles is mafia*
*Giles was Werewolf*
*Jester gets executed*

*gets absolutely destroyed by town*

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:51 pm
by TechnoMotown
Helicooler wrote:If you think someone is jester or there is an exe who has won, try to make a deal with them, especially jester. Surprisingly, a lot of jesters keep their word if you whisper them about helping them win if they will kill a certain person.

You should try to make a deal with the exe because they won't want to leave and lose their points when they die, but they don't won't to go afk.


This makes sense, and definitely works as a legitimate strategy. However, it is not a guarantee that a Jester will keep their word, and the Exe could always turn on town whenever. So, these types of things will require caution to be exercised. Every Jester is different and every Exe is different. This truly is a roleplaying game, as much as it can be anyway.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:49 pm
by Mathelete
An exe is a vote against town. They are neutral EVIL.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:04 pm
by ICECLIMBERS
Don’t claim any role that isn’t town.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:28 pm
by TechnoMotown
Mathelete wrote:An exe is a vote against town. They are neutral EVIL.


Not necessarily. Yes, this is the case until they lynch their target, but afterwards many Executioners have been known to vote with the town.

Re: Why lynch or execute a known Executioner?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm
by Helicooler
Getting an exe on your side is on your side and them not being trolly is the point I play hard game modes.

Just kidding, it's one of them, but I also like the challenge of all-any.