Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Chancell0r » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:19 am

HISSSSSSS wrote:
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RageMallor wrote:Hey, Chancell0r, Great and amazingly detailed guide! Color-coded with useful tips and links everything! Did you write it all yourself? That's cool.

This is very helpful, and I think it should be pinned. (If that's a thing around here).


Ya, I wrote it all myself. It already is pinned in this sub-forum.

Thanks for reading :)

wow u wrote it all by yourself without help from the scd people that you credited a billion times
im so proud of u chancellor ur my hero


I did write it all myself, some poeple there just checked over some stuff. The main credit for SCD was just playing with players from there :^)
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby ChodeMaster69 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:16 pm

Geez you defiantly are a well played user. Thanks for the tips!
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:58 am

Remember that against high elo ranked players you must be more creative :)
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby DeliversKarma » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:17 am

Can you add under Sheriff that Arsonists show up as "not suspicious" ? -- Cause I messed that one up tonight :-(
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby TomatoSpinjitzu » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:06 am

The thread sais spies should be cautious when visiting a veteran,but they can't die if they visit an alerting veteran
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Cut » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:52 pm

TomatoSpinjitzu wrote:The thread sais spies should be cautious when visiting a veteran,but they can't die if they visit an alerting veteran

I believe there used to be a bug where they couldn't, but I believe they do now (if they bug them).

Edit: Just checked the wiki and the spy will die if they visit a vet on alert or a medusa that's gazing.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby hissingwillows » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:27 pm

Thanks for the great guide! This has been super helpful.

Not sure if this is applicable to higher elo towns, but I've been stuck in low elo for a while and trying to get out of it. My biggest problem when playing sheriff has always been people, townies included, going "exe??? obvious exe?" when I call out mafia. Lately what I find has helped get town on my side (ESPECIALLY when finding mafia on the first night) is saying something like "Look, I found a mafia member, you want to hear it or are y'all going to accuse me of being exe?". Every time I've tried this (so far), the town quickly demands I give them my find and lynches the mafia. Again, this might not really apply to higher elo, and could totally just be a strategy for lower elo or entirely situational.

The hardest part of low elo games is getting fellow townies to put up suspicious people or get claims, even if there's a couple people pointing out it helps town. Anyone else have tips on how to get them on your side that aren't in the guide? I've had better luck in Ranked Practice trying to convince people to VFR.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Chancell0r » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:58 am

hissingwillows wrote:Thanks for the great guide! This has been super helpful.

Not sure if this is applicable to higher elo towns, but I've been stuck in low elo for a while and trying to get out of it. My biggest problem when playing sheriff has always been people, townies included, going "exe??? obvious exe?" when I call out mafia. Lately what I find has helped get town on my side (ESPECIALLY when finding mafia on the first night) is saying something like "Look, I found a mafia member, you want to hear it or are y'all going to accuse me of being exe?". Every time I've tried this (so far), the town quickly demands I give them my find and lynches the mafia. Again, this might not really apply to higher elo, and could totally just be a strategy for lower elo or entirely situational.

The hardest part of low elo games is getting fellow townies to put up suspicious people or get claims, even if there's a couple people pointing out it helps town. Anyone else have tips on how to get them on your side that aren't in the guide? I've had better luck in Ranked Practice trying to convince people to VFR.



You're not wrong, I'm ranked around 2070 elo and I've seen during dead queues some 1300 elo players in my games who are completely "he could be exe" as Town. The counterplay is somewhat dependant on the elo. In high elo, the concept of a conflict is more understood. You post your conflict Day 2, usually whisper to the jailor. Do it ASAP and not late. Just don't expect Town to hang them day 2. State your conflict, town will recognise it, and then proceed with VFR. Your conflict will not go unheard, but it's important to VFR as much as possible (ideally you will get almost everyone to claim and then hang you or the mafia day 2). Beware, if the mafia claims a better role than sheriff (like escort, ret, lookout) it's common they will believe them over you. Don't panic or spam, the next day just interrogate people who you think were defending the mafia or people who you think generally might be evil. Keep playing as town as possible. Write down all claims, track people abstaining/not voting etc.

In low elo, what you said was a good idea. You can also be like "hang me to prove I'm legit" etc. Low elo players are monkeys by nature, so you have to pretend you yourself are a monkey. To them, hanging an executioner's target is the equivalent of losing their family in a car crash. They are scared. Petrified. They will try anything they can to avoid that possibility. Just remind them that a 1 for 1 trade will always benefit town early in the game because of the information you can receive from voting patterns and the fact that evils are weaker when they are smaller, whereas Town has wills and stuff (it's also a bigger % loss for evils).

I used to play sheriff really aggressively, I would just spam and scream until they hanged the mafia. My sheriff winrate as a result was appalling, something like 30-40%. Don't do that. You're limiting the time Town has to gather more information. Be patient, relaxed, and play like a logical townie. Also, never inno the person you found as Mafia. If you 100% know they're evil, then guilty them. You just look evil if you inno the person you're accusing of being bad.

Hope the guide helped, I might update it after my uni exams next month
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby hissingwillows » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:02 pm

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hissingwillows wrote:Thanks for the great guide! This has been super helpful.

Not sure if this is applicable to higher elo towns, but I've been stuck in low elo for a while and trying to get out of it. My biggest problem when playing sheriff has always been people, townies included, going "exe??? obvious exe?" when I call out mafia. Lately what I find has helped get town on my side (ESPECIALLY when finding mafia on the first night) is saying something like "Look, I found a mafia member, you want to hear it or are y'all going to accuse me of being exe?". Every time I've tried this (so far), the town quickly demands I give them my find and lynches the mafia. Again, this might not really apply to higher elo, and could totally just be a strategy for lower elo or entirely situational.

The hardest part of low elo games is getting fellow townies to put up suspicious people or get claims, even if there's a couple people pointing out it helps town. Anyone else have tips on how to get them on your side that aren't in the guide? I've had better luck in Ranked Practice trying to convince people to VFR.



You're not wrong, I'm ranked around 2070 elo and I've seen during dead queues some 1300 elo players in my games who are completely "he could be exe" as Town. The counterplay is somewhat dependant on the elo. In high elo, the concept of a conflict is more understood. You post your conflict Day 2, usually whisper to the jailor. Do it ASAP and not late. Just don't expect Town to hang them day 2. State your conflict, town will recognise it, and then proceed with VFR. Your conflict will not go unheard, but it's important to VFR as much as possible (ideally you will get almost everyone to claim and then hang you or the mafia day 2). Beware, if the mafia claims a better role than sheriff (like escort, ret, lookout) it's common they will believe them over you. Don't panic or spam, the next day just interrogate people who you think were defending the mafia or people who you think generally might be evil. Keep playing as town as possible. Write down all claims, track people abstaining/not voting etc.

In low elo, what you said was a good idea. You can also be like "hang me to prove I'm legit" etc. Low elo players are monkeys by nature, so you have to pretend you yourself are a monkey. To them, hanging an executioner's target is the equivalent of losing their family in a car crash. They are scared. Petrified. They will try anything they can to avoid that possibility. Just remind them that a 1 for 1 trade will always benefit town early in the game because of the information you can receive from voting patterns and the fact that evils are weaker when they are smaller, whereas Town has wills and stuff (it's also a bigger % loss for evils).

I used to play sheriff really aggressively, I would just spam and scream until they hanged the mafia. My sheriff winrate as a result was appalling, something like 30-40%. Don't do that. You're limiting the time Town has to gather more information. Be patient, relaxed, and play like a logical townie. Also, never inno the person you found as Mafia. If you 100% know they're evil, then guilty them. You just look evil if you inno the person you're accusing of being bad.

Hope the guide helped, I might update it after my uni exams next month


Thanks for the advice! I've been stuck in low elo hell since the new season started... my wifi crashing repeatedly lately has not been helping me in that area. Sheriff can be tough - heck, I've seen people get seriously accused of being exe even when the real NE is already dead. I'll keep trying what you've recommended and hope for the best!
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby SushiMartyr » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:19 pm

I just finished reading this guide, so I have yet to try out some of these strategies, but it seems very helpful and thorough. One quick question, though: in the SK section, you mentioned something about "sweet talking" in a situation where you're trying to convince someone to vote with you and help you win. Could you clarify/explain what you meant by that in a little more detail?
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Jackparrot » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:39 am

Hey chance/other high elo players, i was wondering something:
1. How do voting patterns affect the game

2. if there was a role that messed up votes, would be suspicious on some one that abstained from a mafia even if they said thay had planned to vote guilty?
I am not as active as I used to be, although I should be somewhat active.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Operaismo » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:47 pm

Thank you for writing this.

I'm completely new to the game, so I'll try these out.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby Circi » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:38 am

Good guide
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:03 am

Stupendous guide, but the outburst of colors irks me a little. I'd suggest sticking to one form of emphasis to keep things neat and easier to stare at.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby kosmo16 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:30 pm

The guide is outdated :/ Meta shifted drastically since it has been published.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby LewisFaisal » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:31 pm

I hate how alienated VFR is at 1700 elo...
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby kosmo16 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:18 am

LewisFaisal wrote:I hate how alienated VFR is at 1700 elo...


Lel, I would say people for and against vfr are splited 50/50. I'm not against but there are better strats like Jailor's meta.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:23 am

kosmo16 wrote:
LewisFaisal wrote:I hate how alienated VFR is at 1700 elo...


Lel, I would say people for and against vfr are splited 50/50. I'm not against but there are better strats like Jailor's meta.

I think both strats could be used in tandem, with the right players.
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Re: Town of Salem Guide for Competitive Play (Ranked)

Postby LewisFaisal » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:47 pm

@Chancell0r Discord link isn't working btw
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