Clean the Way to Victory and The Paranoid Soldier

[TheThief]

Janitor and Veteran are not the worst or the best in my opinion, but there is no guide. I will make them. They are both centered around deceiving the enemy.

Janitor

Strengths:
-You have the knowledge to become the other role that the invest compares you to.
-You will be able to clean roles that may be of use to you.
-You have the knowledge of who mafia kills without having everyone know that!

Weaknesses:
-You will probably have to give out information that could get you lynched.
-The second you use your ability, the town know your roles exist.
-You can easily get yourself lynched if medium and sheriff uses their role!
-The mafia will likely ask you what role they are, so you might have to announce role to the spy accidentally.

Strategy:
You must act like a medium, that means no speaking unless to talk to someone. You will be targeted by sk and arson, so it is a high risk and high reward to gain from this.
You will have to rid the town of these two roles, the sheriff and the medium. You may ask, "Why is medium a threat?" Let's see, if you say lie about someone being town that you cleaned and medium is alive, you just tie the noose that will lynch you. You will have to do some lying to win. If you cannot lie, then you are useless. Also make sure you clean their body. If there is disguiser, you will have to clean their bodies, to stop the accidental lynching from the jailor asking what role they are. Also if you do plan to clean, do the same as the mafioso or gf. That will waste a cleaning, which is essential to survival in this game. The Consigiliere will help you astronomically if they do not get lynched.

Weak Against:
-Medium
-Sheriff
-Lookout
-Escort (If you use cleaning first three nights and they notice that.)
-Survivor (You will lose cleaning by targeting them while they have vest.)
-Veteran (Same as consort and escort)

Strong Against:
-Invest (situational)
-*gulp* There is no more. You are just average for rest.c


Veteran

Strengths:
-You can kill every mafia/killing neutral/witch that comes to your house.
-You make the everyone afraid of you just by killing one person, innocent or not.
-You can kill anyone that attacks you three nights.

Weaknesses:
-You have only three alerts, so you must use them wisely
-If you are not on alert and witch makes any killing class attack you, you are dead. (They have nothing to lose from this)

Strategy:
You will have to attract the attention of mafia/sk/ and arson without killing any townies. Acting like jester sometimes work, but the vigil will attack you and two town members are dead. Beware that if you kill a mafia member, they will no longer come after you. Watch for the witch making any killing classes attacking you too. That might get you and vigilante killed in the process.

Weak Against:
-Witch
-Kills town member if they visit you on alert. (Thanks cerilium!)
-Might get lynched for trying to attract attention. (Mafia will usually not attack you if you do this.)

Strong Against:
-Everyone else except the roles without night effects and that are not neutral benign/evil. (Medium, Mayor, Jester, Executionist, Amnesiac, and Survivor)

Anyone help me complete this... I need to find weakness for vet and what vet is weak against.

[TheThief]

Also if anyone wants to add to role guide list, you are allowed to do so!

[Magnasword2]

Personally I believe the veterans main weakness is that most methods to ensure egtting attacked can also throw suspicion on yourself.

[TheThief]

Personally I believe the veterans main weakness is that most methods to ensure egtting attacked can also throw suspicion on yourself.

That is true, but usually people will put who they go to in their will if they are town. I will add it!

[MiniatureCowgirl]

Jailors. Veterans are useless against jailors.

[LordTeague]

This may be one heck of a bump, but I would just like to say that playing Veteran as a town-aligned Survivor usually works rather well for me.

Why do I say that?

Well, if you're quiet, nobody will suspect you're the Veteran. And you generally want to alert the same times you want to put on a vest as survivor. When you think/feel you're going to be attacked that night. Heck, I've found the best way to get people to attack you as veteran, while sticking to this strategy, is to simply play as an intelligent town member during the day, not trying to grab attention any other way. If they're smart they'll want to take out a voice of reason in the town, which is when you alert, and BAM they're dead.

The bonus to being a vet is that generally once you've alerted once, people are, more often than not, going to avoid you. Especially if they know you're Vet. And so you can more or less safely save your other two alerts until you feel you need them, unless there's a Witch about. This generally makes up for having one less alert than the Survivor has vests. With this particular strategy, as people are likely to know you're Veteran anyways, you may want to put your name in your death note to make it indisputable that you are, in fact, the Veteran. Unlike the Vig, you've got little to lose by doing so as it's likely people will know who you are, especially if the person who visited you includes who they visit in their will.

I've found this method either works, or would've worked had I listened to my gut instinct.

[K1llthestory]

Meh, these vet guides aren't that good, seeing as veteran is one of the best roles in the game. I always win as vet by scumreading. Basically, I'll feign invest, ask an inactive player his role, scum read him, ask another, etc, until I find mafia. I either lynch them, or I dont, alert next night, kill mafia+NK, (maybe town) start a role claim because I put my name in my DN, find last mafia/NK, win.

[Deleter]

I get mafia to attack me as vet because I'm such a domineering presence in the day phase that I make the game a hostile environment for scum members. They feel like they can't afford NOT to attack me.

[Flamingkamikaze]

I get mafia to attack me as vet because I'm such a domineering presence in the day phase that I make the game a hostile environment for scum members. They feel like they can't afford NOT to attack me.

Basically this, about 75% of the time I am vet I end up alerting night two and killing a member of the mafia because of how I acted. In one particular case this happened(okay I'm kinda bragging now)
day 2: I do a reaction test and find the arsonist.
night 2: I alert and kill the mafioso and janitor
day 3: I accuse someone because I had a scumread on them day 2 and they turn out to be godfather

freelo

but yeah most of the time you are a mayor who has no need for protectives. Also Janitor is the best mafia role, just saying.

[Deleter]

Once I had a 4-man mafia with 2 janitors. 6 cleaned town roles, they were all running around like headless chickens and a spammer was screaming "FREELO FREELO CLEAN TOWN FREELO". It was pretty much taking candy from a baby

[Moleland]

I feel the witches main strength against Vets is to send even usually non-visiting townies to the Vet, meaning Vet can kill some surprising people

[BurdenOfGrief]

I usually don't try to intentionally bait mafia. I stay rather silent looking at the rolelist and graveyard, calculating my chances of being visited by town or killings/evil that night. If I do happen to be aggressively supporting an invest claim that finds mafia while NE is dead, I may use an alert or two.

[Moleland]

I never alert night 1. I always alert night 2 - possibly with some light baiting like 'I have no leads yet'

[K1llthestory]

I never alert night 1. I always alert night 2 - possibly with some light baiting like 'I have no leads yet'

Not a very good vet bait.

[Flamingkamikaze]

I never alert night 1. I always alert night 2 - possibly with some light baiting like 'I have no leads yet'

Mafia: HOLY CRAP GUYS THAT PESRON DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING
Other mafia: KILL THEM NOW, THEY KNOW TOO LITTLE!

how exactly is that supposed to work?

[Moleland]

I never alert night 1. I always alert night 2 - possibly with some light baiting like 'I have no leads yet'

Mafia: HOLY CRAP GUYS THAT PESRON DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING
Other mafia: KILL THEM NOW, THEY KNOW TOO LITTLE!

how exactly is that supposed to work?

Last time I was Vet, I said this. Alerted

Killed a mafioso and Disguiser

[gorilla578]

Best bait that hasn't failed me yet:

To Townie: whisper whisper
From Townie: Mafia plz get this guy
To Townie: bait bait bait bait bait
Gorilla: I believe Obvious Mafia is Mafia. Vote him.
-Is Janitor-
Night X
You have decided to go on alert tonight.
You shot someone who visited you last night.
You shot someone who visited you last night.
You feel a dominating power. You were controlled by a Witch.
Someone tried to attack you but you cannot be killed while on alert.

[Deleter]

I never alert night 1. I always alert night 2 - possibly with some light baiting like 'I have no leads yet'

Mafia: HOLY CRAP GUYS THAT PESRON DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING
Other mafia: KILL THEM NOW, THEY KNOW TOO LITTLE!

how exactly is that supposed to work?

Last time I was Vet, I said this. Alerted

Killed a mafioso and Disguiser

Once I killed a godfather, disguiser and janitor by saying "mafia suck my cock"

Funny anecdotes aren't worth jackshit when it comes to strategy

[SarahSaurus]

There actually are multiple other guides for both of these roles already...


And I want to point out that janitors are weak against retris as well. If you claim medium and then someone gets revived, they'll disprove you in a second.
Also remember as janitor to pay attention to who leaves the game after dying. If one of your cleaned targets left the game as soon as they died, note that and when you claim medium, tell the town that you couldn't figure out that person's role because they left before telling you. It will make you seem a little bit more trustworthy and medium-like, since everyone knows a janitor can fake medium and know all the cleaned roles. And add in other tidbits to say y'know "the dead sheriff told me X as NS" and "the dead people are talking about this or that".