Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
OreCreeper wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
You would rather bet your executes on whether or not the witch is stupid? There is a 1/11 chance at best that a silent jailor gets randomly killed N1 by mafia, and this chance decreases if the jailor does a fake vet bait D1. I don't really care if the jailor does meta. I mean, if the jailor is great at leading town during the day and gets evils lynched easily, he doesn't really need his executes.
What annoys me is when a jailor does meta D1, and then proceeds to play like shit, and later on proceeds to complain about "tOo MaNy WhIsPeRs". At that point, I might feel the need to bully them.
Another kind of jailor I don't like? The kind of jailor that does meta but for some reason DOES NOT LEAD TOWN. Anyone who plays like THAT just needs to straight up quit the game.
Oh also I am aware there are counters to witch, but those are usually unreliable. Lookout is a thing, but the witch can just claim TP. Transporter is a thing, but if witch "doesn't go on jailor most of the time", then transporter would probably go on the jailor once in a blue moon. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it N1, I've seen plenty of THAT. Just rarely N2, where transporting the jailor is actually useful.
Tl;dr if you want to meta, make sure you can lead town well and don't expect to have any exes to fall back on, because you will be reduced to pretty much a mayor minus the extra votes.
OreCreeper wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
You would rather bet your executes on whether or not the witch is stupid? There is a 1/11 chance at best that a silent jailor gets randomly killed N1 by mafia, and this chance decreases if the jailor does a fake vet bait D1. I don't really care if the jailor does meta. I mean, if the jailor is great at leading town during the day and gets evils lynched easily, he doesn't really need his executes.
I use silent jailor since before the last season ended after I relized how lame it was for everyone
What annoys me is when a jailor does meta D1, and then proceeds to play like shit, and later on proceeds to complain about "tOo MaNy WhIsPeRs". At that point, I might feel the need to bully them.
Yeah fair point
Another kind of jailor I don't like? The kind of jailor that does meta but for some reason DOES NOT LEAD TOWN. Anyone who plays like THAT just needs to straight up quit the game.
NO, if jailor doesnt leads town there is no problem with that, as long as they play good or avarage, if I get revealed as jailor I dont lead unless town really is bad, when LO and other ppl whisper me I just tell them that they dont need to go on me all nights and that they can work on their own, and usually that it way better that me being jailor, vigi, esc, LO, bg and sheriff at the same time
Oh also I am aware there are counters to witch, but those are usually unreliable. Lookout is a thing, but the witch can just claim TP. Transporter is a thing, but if witch "doesn't go on jailor most of the time", then transporter would probably go on the jailor once in a blue moon. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it N1, I've seen plenty of THAT. Just rarely N2, where transporting the jailor is actually useful.
Tl;dr if you want to meta, make sure you can lead town well and don't expect to have any exes to fall back on, because you will be reduced to pretty much a mayor minus the extra votes.
Descender wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
You would rather bet your executes on whether or not the witch is stupid? There is a 1/11 chance at best that a silent jailor gets randomly killed N1 by mafia, and this chance decreases if the jailor does a fake vet bait D1. I don't really care if the jailor does meta. I mean, if the jailor is great at leading town during the day and gets evils lynched easily, he doesn't really need his executes.
What annoys me is when a jailor does meta D1, and then proceeds to play like shit, and later on proceeds to complain about "tOo MaNy WhIsPeRs". At that point, I might feel the need to bully them.
Another kind of jailor I don't like? The kind of jailor that does meta but for some reason DOES NOT LEAD TOWN. Anyone who plays like THAT just needs to straight up quit the game.
Oh also I am aware there are counters to witch, but those are usually unreliable. Lookout is a thing, but the witch can just claim TP. Transporter is a thing, but if witch "doesn't go on jailor most of the time", then transporter would probably go on the jailor once in a blue moon. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it N1, I've seen plenty of THAT. Just rarely N2, where transporting the jailor is actually useful.
Tl;dr if you want to meta, make sure you can lead town well and don't expect to have any exes to fall back on, because you will be reduced to pretty much a mayor minus the extra votes.
1/11 is not accurate
Yemac wrote:As the title says. What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta? I know there is witch, but jailor dying n1 is basically an auto-loss for town since town is too dumb to function without jailor
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:There are noobs that think that the guaranteed Witch makes the Jailor meta not worth it, even though it very much is. The Witch doesn't even go on the Jailor most of the time anyway, which makes it even dumber.
There are also some people who feel the need to harass the Jailor every time they meta, which is annoying as fuck. I may or may not have one particular user in mind when saying this.
You would rather bet your executes on whether or not the witch is stupid? There is a 1/11 chance at best that a silent jailor gets randomly killed N1 by mafia, and this chance decreases if the jailor does a fake vet bait D1. I don't really care if the jailor does meta. I mean, if the jailor is great at leading town during the day and gets evils lynched easily, he doesn't really need his executes.
I use silent jailor since before the last season ended after I relized how lame it was for everyone
What annoys me is when a jailor does meta D1, and then proceeds to play like shit, and later on proceeds to complain about "tOo MaNy WhIsPeRs". At that point, I might feel the need to bully them.
Yeah fair point
Another kind of jailor I don't like? The kind of jailor that does meta but for some reason DOES NOT LEAD TOWN. Anyone who plays like THAT just needs to straight up quit the game.
NO, if jailor doesnt leads town there is no problem with that, as long as they play good or avarage, if I get revealed as jailor I dont lead unless town really is bad, when LO and other ppl whisper me I just tell them that they dont need to go on me all nights and that they can work on their own, and usually that it way better that me being jailor, vigi, esc, LO, bg and sheriff at the same time
Oh also I am aware there are counters to witch, but those are usually unreliable. Lookout is a thing, but the witch can just claim TP. Transporter is a thing, but if witch "doesn't go on jailor most of the time", then transporter would probably go on the jailor once in a blue moon. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it N1, I've seen plenty of THAT. Just rarely N2, where transporting the jailor is actually useful.
Tl;dr if you want to meta, make sure you can lead town well and don't expect to have any exes to fall back on, because you will be reduced to pretty much a mayor minus the extra votes.
Descender wrote:if youre bad just do a generic jailor meta doe
dolphina wrote:silent or not nobody cares
if you dont stick out as silent jailor and do things appropriately you can do stuff well
ive seen good silent jailor metas, bad silent jailor metas, good regular jailor metas, bad regular jailor metas. it all just depends on how good you are at playing jailor
Cubical wrote:I personally do silent jailor meta because it's boring if i can't execute because of the witch. I agree with the other players that a jailor who does meta should be able to lead town. That is the main advantage of jailor meta over just tp/lo meta, the town can actually trust the guy who calls for tp/lo to lead them cus its the jailor. Other than that there is no advantage.
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
OreCreeper wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
Jailor meta is basically forfeiting the ability to execute until the witch is dead (you also can't jail mayor for protection or anything like that if you haven't lost your exes already).
It works if jailor is an absolute god at leading the town. Otherwise, silent jailor is much more effective. Jailor meta keeps the jailor alive with the downside of reducing them to nothing but a confirmed townie. The jailor will pretty much be playing old retributionist who used his resurrection.
Descender wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
Jailor meta is basically forfeiting the ability to execute until the witch is dead (you also can't jail mayor for protection or anything like that if you haven't lost your exes already).
It works if jailor is an absolute god at leading the town. Otherwise, silent jailor is much more effective. Jailor meta keeps the jailor alive with the downside of reducing them to nothing but a confirmed townie. The jailor will pretty much be playing old retributionist who used his resurrection.
lookout exists
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Descender wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
Jailor meta is basically forfeiting the ability to execute until the witch is dead (you also can't jail mayor for protection or anything like that if you haven't lost your exes already).
It works if jailor is an absolute god at leading the town. Otherwise, silent jailor is much more effective. Jailor meta keeps the jailor alive with the downside of reducing them to nothing but a confirmed townie. The jailor will pretty much be playing old retributionist who used his resurrection.
lookout exists
Whats the point on knowing who the evils are if you dont have enough votes to lynch them
Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Descender wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
Jailor meta is basically forfeiting the ability to execute until the witch is dead (you also can't jail mayor for protection or anything like that if you haven't lost your exes already).
It works if jailor is an absolute god at leading the town. Otherwise, silent jailor is much more effective. Jailor meta keeps the jailor alive with the downside of reducing them to nothing but a confirmed townie. The jailor will pretty much be playing old retributionist who used his resurrection.
lookout exists
Whats the point on knowing who the evils are if you dont have enough votes to lynch them
you definitely do
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Descender wrote:OreCreeper wrote:Descender wrote:syjfwbaobfwl wrote:anyway we shouldnt forget that jailor meta shouldnt exist in first place
i mean
it works
Jailor meta is basically forfeiting the ability to execute until the witch is dead (you also can't jail mayor for protection or anything like that if you haven't lost your exes already).
It works if jailor is an absolute god at leading the town. Otherwise, silent jailor is much more effective. Jailor meta keeps the jailor alive with the downside of reducing them to nothing but a confirmed townie. The jailor will pretty much be playing old retributionist who used his resurrection.
lookout exists
Whats the point on knowing who the evils are if you dont have enough votes to lynch them
you definitely do
Mafia kills someone N1
Mafia and exe push for a misslynch
Witch controls jailor N2, mafia kills someone N2
6v6 you cant vote
Descender wrote:thats wcs and the rolelists fault
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