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Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby alex1234321 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:52 pm

I just game back after three years, and I noticed a lot of people talking about Jailor meta and TPLO as different strategies used by the Town. Can someone explain these two strategies, why they are used, and their major strengths and weaknesses? How has the general playstyle changed since late 2017/early 2018, which is when I last played?
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby cob709 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:21 pm

Jailor Meta:
    Day 1, jailor claims
    All TPs, spies, and escorts go on jailor.
    LO also goes on Jailor
    There we go, three players confirmed by LO N1. Plus LO themselves. (More if multiple LOs)
    Solve game from there
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kyuss420 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:55 am

Instead of hunting for the evils, Town can use the LO to hunt for town.... once majority of town is known, kill whats left, town win... Process of elimination.

town wants jailor protected, jailor doesnt want to kill TPs, so jailor claims day1, gets protected by the TPs, LO tells him the TPs.... 5 town confirmed day 2 (jailor, LO, TPs, escort/trans, spy) (6 town confirmed if theres a random dead guy) town now has a 60%+ chance of lynching an evil by randomly hanging anyone (ofc they dont randomly hang, they vfr the remainder and lynch the dumbest claim) So jailor is the most optimal role to call for TP LO.

if a lynch happens, jailors odds of jailing an evil n2 are 5 out of 8 depending on what other claims were confirmed day 2. If a townie was mislynched those odds increase dramatically, so even the dumbest jailor can get lucky by randomly executing, as long as he doesnt jail anyone on the LOs list.

Ofc Mafia have gotten wise, so RMs have to visit jailor n1 to counter, which gives LO a psychic vision basically... heres 3 names, 1 is likely evil.....
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:24 am

So does everyone still whisper roles to Jailor or is that not a thing anymore because of Blackmailer?
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:57 am

Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:48 am

kosmo16 wrote:Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?

Jailor Meta is very much a thing, except in low elo where the Jailor will refuse to claim because of the guaranteed Witch.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:06 am

Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?

Jailor Meta is very much a thing, except in low elo where the Jailor will refuse to claim because of the guaranteed Witch.


Yeah... That's actually a solid argument
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:18 am

kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?

Jailor Meta is very much a thing, except in low elo where the Jailor will refuse to claim because of the guaranteed Witch.


Yeah... That's actually a solid argument


Idk if this should work right now.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:26 am

kosmo16 wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?

Jailor Meta is very much a thing, except in low elo where the Jailor will refuse to claim because of the guaranteed Witch.


Yeah... That's actually a solid argument


Idk if this should work right now.


Jailor meta should be garbage against competent evils. It's working huh...
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:27 am

The problem with that argument is that the Jailor almost never gets controlled in reality due to the possibility of being instantly outed by a Lookout.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:32 am

Ezradekezra wrote:The problem with that argument is that the Jailor almost never gets controlled in reality due to the possibility of being instantly outed by a Lookout.


Does it matter if they get outed in 6v6? Vigilante is a bigger problem than lookout.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:35 am

kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:The problem with that argument is that the Jailor almost never gets controlled in reality due to the possibility of being instantly outed by a Lookout.

Does it matter if they get outed in 6v6? Vigilante is a bigger problem than lookout.

The game doesn't start as a 6v6 though

With the Jailor Meta, it's incredibly easy to hunt for evils, so it almost never comes to that.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:40 am

Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:The problem with that argument is that the Jailor almost never gets controlled in reality due to the possibility of being instantly outed by a Lookout.

Does it matter if they get outed in 6v6? Vigilante is a bigger problem than lookout.

The game doesn't start as a 6v6 though

With the Jailor Meta, it's incredibly easy to hunt for evils, so it almost never comes to that.


Not really incredibly easy... If there is no lo it does nothing. I think exe/mafia should be able to mislynch Town with correct play.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:45 am

kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:The problem with that argument is that the Jailor almost never gets controlled in reality due to the possibility of being instantly outed by a Lookout.

Does it matter if they get outed in 6v6? Vigilante is a bigger problem than lookout.

The game doesn't start as a 6v6 though

With the Jailor Meta, it's incredibly easy to hunt for evils, so it almost never comes to that.

Not really incredibly easy... If there is no lo it does nothing. I think exe/mafia should be able to mislynch Town with correct play.

People in low elo generally aren't that good at forcing mislynches

Between the two TI slots and three RT slots, it's pretty likely that there's a Lookout, so it's safer to not control the Jailor until you're sure there isn't one.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Joacgroso » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:31 am

If the exe wins day 2, then town is screwed unless they have a mayor or the jailor is lucky and jails the witch instead of a mafia member.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby kosmo16 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:33 am

Joacgroso wrote:If the exe wins day 2, then town is screwed unless they have a mayor or the jailor is lucky and jails the witch instead of a mafia member.


True. But vig can save the day.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Soulshade55r » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:13 pm

kosmo16 wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:If the exe wins day 2, then town is screwed unless they have a mayor or the jailor is lucky and jails the witch instead of a mafia member.


True. But vig can save the day.


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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Paradox12 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:10 am

Ezradekezra wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:Haven't played for a while. Is Jailor meta still a thing?

Jailor Meta is very much a thing, except in low elo where the Jailor will refuse to claim because of the guaranteed Witch.

You mean in high elo? I'd say the jailors who still claim d1 are probably low elo because they don't realize that 1) LO got nerfed so it can't reliably confirm TPs anymore 2) there might not even be an LO and 3) there will always be a witch who can easily stop them from killing on necessary days. This means that assuming mafia pulls off a n1 and n2 kill, all mafia needs to do is pull off a mislynch d2 to make it 6v6 since witch can stop the jailor from executing. If there is a vigi, it puts a lot of pressure on the vigi to shoot n2 and if they misshoot, basically nothing can save town at that point, unless evils seriously mess up and town gets really lucky.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Joacgroso » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:12 pm

It's true, though it's a bit of a shame. Now town has to rely on TIs again in order to get info, since VFR helps evils more. If you are TP there's nothing you can really do until the first lynch.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Paradox12 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:55 pm

Joacgroso wrote:It's true, though it's a bit of a shame. Now town has to rely on TIs again in order to get info, since VFR helps evils more. If you are TP there's nothing you can really do until the first lynch.

Town can still rely on scumreading to find evils (which is possible d2). If someone gets voted up and claims something when someone else claimed that alignment earlier and they didn't cc, lynch that. If someone claims TI, especially sheriff, and they haven't posted earlier, lynch that. Generally speaking, if people have been pushing to vote someone for a while (at least 10 seconds) and it takes them until they get voted up to claim, unless their defense is solid, I would lynch that. If it was just a bad player, that's unlucky, but with the current rolelist, you need to treat bad players the same as you would treat evils, because there's basically no time to give bad players the benefit of the doubt or evils will have majority.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Joacgroso » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:58 pm

That's VFRing, which is pretty risky in the current enviroment because of the witch. My complaint was exactly about that. Without VFRing, town can only rely on TIs.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby cob709 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:59 pm

Joacgroso wrote:That's VFRing, which is pretty risky in the current enviroment because of the witch. My complaint was exactly about that. Without VFRing, town can only rely on TIs.

That's the point... The TIs must collect information to expose the evils. The Mafia must disrupt Town from collecting information by spreading false information. The Town must decide who to trust.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Joacgroso » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm

I liked it more when every townie could contribute to finding evils and not just the TIs. Right now town relies too much on lucky TIs who find mafia n1, since it's usually lynch or lose by day 2 because there's always a leaver.
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I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby cob709 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:48 pm

Every townie can contribute in their own ways. It's up to each player individually to figure out how they can do so.
I suggest playing ranked practice a little more to help find your own pace.

Usually, I take careful notes of whispers and votes. Sometimes I go after claims if I'm feeling lazy.
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Re: Jailor Meta and TPLO

Postby Joacgroso » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:54 pm

The thing is, you can't get lead until someone is put on trial. And without VFR, that can only happen if TIs have leads. Or if a townie fakeclaims, I guess.
edit: also, I think actual ranked is better for learning, since RP is full of leavers and if you don't get a leading role you can't do much. At least in ranked you can see what others do.
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