Roleblocking med claims as escort in Janitor Game

[ak521]

pretty smart

[Brilliand]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

[ak521]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

[dolphina]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is a very, VERY common Janitor claim. Therefore, a good Janitor would NEVER claim Medium, at least in a Ranked game. Investigator is also a common claim, so try to stay away from your invest results. Have two fake wills, and if you are jailed and/or there is a confirmed Investigator, have your Medium claim up and raring to go. Otherwise, don't be pressured to claim inside your invest range. I suggest trying out some interesting strategies, such as claiming Spy when there isn't a Blackmailer. Spies are usually the least - or second to least - scummy claim for Mafia to use, especially when there is no Blackmailer. If your bugs are accurate, and you get "confirmed" early on, then you can screw with Town after Mafia kills off the real spies. But those spies won't be confirmed! This works especially well if you have a Spy that doesn't want to claim to Town, and the Consigliere discovered them. Alternatively, you could claim Lookout, and set up a Mafia win once you're close to majority, and Jailor is dead. You could *claim* to be on your cleaned target, and you could *accuse* two Townies of being the Mafia.

[Brilliand]

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so.

Much like dolphina said: since bad Janitors claim Medium so often, the Town is ready for it... so much so that any Janitor who doesn't claim Medium is ahead of the game.

From a theoretical perspective it's a perfectly fine claim, but I don't think the meta will be such that it's a good idea anytime soon.

[3cheersforidiots]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is one of, if not the weakest claims in ToS, period. So much so that actual Mediums will often get hung because of how easy it is to fake. I'd say claiming some sort of TI role as Janitor works better, since you can still feed false information to town and it's less likely to get suspected as the Janitor.

[dolphina]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is one of, if not the weakest claims in ToS, period. So much so that actual Mediums will often get hung because of how easy it is to fake. I'd say claiming some sort of TI role as Janitor works better, since you can still feed false information to town and it's less likely to get suspected as the Janitor.

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[kyuss420]

Who makes claims depending on the off chance that an investigator is going to live long enough to actually take any interest in checking you?
I love noobs who claim off of invest results, it makes them much easier to lynch as soon as the evil role is confirmed in game.

[ak521]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is one of, if not the weakest claims in ToS, period. So much so that actual Mediums will often get hung because of how easy it is to fake. I'd say claiming some sort of TI role as Janitor works better, since you can still feed false information to town and it's less likely to get suspected as the Janitor.

This is a really valid argument, I always see medium claims lynched D2 even if there is one cc, regardless of Janitor game.
and TI floods work very well since the only way for mafia to win is to mislead town not once but multiple times (ranked).

[kyuss420]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is one of, if not the weakest claims in ToS, period. So much so that actual Mediums will often get hung because of how easy it is to fake. I'd say claiming some sort of TI role as Janitor works better, since you can still feed false information to town and it's less likely to get suspected as the Janitor.

This is a really valid argument, I always see medium claims lynched D2 even if there is one cc, regardless of Janitor game.
and TI floods work very well since the only way for mafia to win is to mislead town not once but multiple times (ranked).

TI floods work for 2 reasons

1. noobs are easily confused
2. Any other role is self confirmable (TS-vet-vigi) or easily confirmed by a LO (TP) so TI is the only real claim space in an active town

[dolphina]

It's better than roleblocking the Sheriff, but a good Janitor probably won't claim Medium.

Why not? I personally don't but I see no harm in doing so. It goes along with your invest results, easy to fake (unless god forbid ret), and you can feed town false information.

Medium is one of, if not the weakest claims in ToS, period. So much so that actual Mediums will often get hung because of how easy it is to fake. I'd say claiming some sort of TI role as Janitor works better, since you can still feed false information to town and it's less likely to get suspected as the Janitor.

This is a really valid argument, I always see medium claims lynched D2 even if there is one cc, regardless of Janitor game.
and TI floods work very well since the only way for mafia to win is to mislead town not once but multiple times (ranked).

TI floods work for 2 reasons

1. noobs are easily confused
2. Any other role is self confirmable (TS-vet-vigi) or easily confirmed by a LO (TP) so TI is the only real claim space in an active town

LET THE FLOOD GATES OPEN
MisterDie: I claim sherrif
oof: ya spelled "sheriff" wrong
OofButBetter: I claim Invest
Diedeth: I CC EVERYONE'S TI CLAIM
DIE2: I claim TI
Finthechat: I CLAIM LO
Fire: I claim Invest, cc'ing all these peeps
Sensible: there's not enough RT space for all these TI claims
NoobMaf: lynch Sensible for being stupid
Sheep: ok
MisterDie: no, lynch oof

[OreCreeper]

Medium, Retributionist, and Sheriff are all shitty janitor claims. Medium is a bad claim because you'll likely get cced by real meds, and god forbid if there's a ret. Claiming medium is basically the same as claiming vet at this point, its kinda like an unique role while not actually being an unique role. Retributionist is a sucky claim because its actually an unique role, and the moment a townie dies thats not cleaned (due to NK/lynching), you're screwed because you can't ress them. Sheriff is just a bad claim for mafia in general unless you are bussing. If I'm a vigi/jailor and I have no leads, I usually just shoot/exe a sheriff claim with no info. Also anyone who doesnt come out as sheriff early d2 is immediately lynched. Invest is probably the best claim for janitor, since it's not immediately sus and it's not too hard to claim.