Mafia/Coven Traitor Town Tier List

[Ulteri0r]

Mafia Role Tier List

S Tier

Jailor

Come on dude. Do I need to explain myself?
Mayor

Another powerful role that basically gives Mafia majority a day or two earlier then usual. If the person behind this role is smart, they won't get target by TK by either having a BG or TP on them, further discrediting Vigi claims.
Doctor

At least for me, any TP role is going in S tier for being able to waste the TK's time.
Bodyguard

Same as Doctor, except it can 1 for 1 with Vigi's, which is a win in my book.
Vigilante

This role gives Mafia an extra kill per night for the first three days of the game. I think the invest result is a small price to pay for the killing power Mafia will have with this role.
Janitor

Janitor is still powerful because it can create claim space for not only yourself, but your teammates as well.

A Tier

Transporter

Transporter is perhaps one of the most confirmable roles on this list aside from Veteran, Jailor, and Mayor. Screwing up TI results and TK targets is a valuable asset to the Mafia.
Veteran

Basically uses a "confirm me" button at night. The only thing that keeps this role from being in S Tier is that it can't give a guaranteed kill like the Vigilante can. Still, it gives Town a person they can put as inno in their wills.
Consort/Escort

Both are essentially the same role (aside from Traitor Escort being Inno to Sheriffs). Late game, they are great at blocking TK from killing off a Mafia member.
Blackmailer

Might come to a bit of a surprise to some, but you can figure out many important townie roles to create a good scum will. The only thing is that using your ability confirms you as an evil and puts the town on notice.
Godfather

I don't think this is a real surprise to anyone. Moving on.

B-Tier

Lookout

Is it quite confirmable? Yes. Does it provide Mafia much help aside from that? Probably not because there are no NK.
Consigliere

Consig is a mid-tier role in my opinion. It definitely helps Mafia to figure out who important townies are, but Blackmailer and Janitor have bigger bonuses to the Mafia as a whole.
Witch

I think Witch is a fun role to play, but the real issue is finding out who the Mafia is and who the traitor is as well. Once you do find out though, you will be in good shape to win the game.

C Tier

Mafioso

I don't think many people like this role due to the invest results and having a high chance of being outed by LO with nothing you can do about it. Not really a big deal if this role dies.
Disguiser

Disguiser is a more situational role. I think it can be used for some very good plays, such as disrupting the town's "kill list" for a day or two or getting a townie exed in a 1 for 1, but outside of that there are more potent roles the Mafia could potentially use.
Investigator

Discount Consig. Moving on.
Spy

To be honest, the only benefit this role has is that it's slightly less scummy than Sheriff claims and that it sort of can confirm itself by being on tp/lo on night 1. It doesn't really do much for the Mafia aside from giving them an extra vote.

D Tier

Sheriff

The only thing a Sheriff can really do for Mafia is give them an extra vote. There are other TI roles that give way more information and are far less scummy than this one.
Medium

This only purpose this role can fulfill is give Mafia an extra vote. If a Ret is in the game, it can confirm itself, but it's otherwise useless.
Framer

Is there a guaranteed Sheriff in the role list? Yes. Will you be lucky enough to frame someone even after scum reading? Probably not.
Forger

I really want someone to change my mind on Forger, but the unity port sort of makes this role a little obsolete imo. It's very situational at best, and why forge when Janitor can clean someone's will and role?

Coven Roles Tier List

S Tier

Jailor

Bruh. I literally just explained myself earlier.
Mayor

Again, this gives Coven majority far earlier then when they should. PMer can easily protect the Mayor if a TK tries this role.
Potion Master

Think of Doctor, Consig, and Vigi. Now combine them into one role. This role has flexible claim space for TP and TI, and I think it boosts Coven's win chance by a lot.
Bodyguard

Same as the list above, it 1 for 1's TK which is generally great for Mafia
Crusader

Similar to the BG, this role kills any TI who tries confirm non claimers/suspicious Coven members. Also kills anyone on Jailor.
Veteran

The main reason why this is in S Tier now is because of the existence of CL. I think Medusa is a little bit better because it combines Janitor with Veteran, but this role is still insta-confirmable to town.
Medusa

As stated earlier, the role is basically Veteran and Janitor combined. Even if out yourself with a tp/lo call d1, that's still multiple town down compared to 1 Coven member.

A Tier

Transporter

For the reasons expressed in the Mafia Tier List, this is still a very disruptive role. This can basically protect pre-necro CL as long as it wants.
Escort

The roleblocks in the late game can be clutch (especially with a TK or pesky Jailor still around).
Vigilante

Although the extra kill per night is still great for Coven, I think it's devalued with Medusa and PMer being able to do the same thing with more utility.
Doctor

The ONLY reason why this isn't in S Tier is because of PMer's versatility. Still a very solid role as Coven.

B-Tier

Lookout

This role is still valuable as a "confirmed townie" for Coven. Still suffers from the same issues as in the Mafia tier list.
Necromancer

I like Necromancer a lot because it can counter BGs, Trappers, and "confirm" themselves as a TK. I just think the other roles above it have more potential to be broken than this role, but I'm still tempted to put this in A Tier.

C Tier

Investigator

This is PMer and CL on sale. Not useless, but not overly desirable for Coven either.
Spy

Same reason as in the Mafia tier list, why do Coven really want a Traitor Spy?
Tracker

Tracker claims are more uncommon and easier to fake than LO, so evils are perceived to want to claim it more. Again, what other benefits could Tracker provide?
Poisoner

A killing role that has to wait to kill, and can be countered completely by a Doctor? And potential PMer's claiming Doctor need to undo everything? *yawn*

D Tier

Sheriff

I'm not even gonna bother anymore because it's been overstated.
Medium

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Hex Master

I really want to put this role higher, but think of all the weaknesses the Arsonist has. Slow kills. Luck-based. Now remove the ability to ignite whenever, basic defense, and add teammates - what do you get? This role. I get progressively more disappointed the more I think of the setbacks this role has in order to pull off a successful Hex. Maybe someone can reason with me to put this role higher, but I'm sad now

Everything on these two lists are subject to change.
Edit: Can someone help me with the font and spoilers? They don't save whenever I post.

[Transcender]

doctor isnt as good as it seems, if caught healing mafia it can seem suspicious. Spy is completely garbage also and should be lower.

[KAKERMAN23]

The good thing about weaker roles (like sheriff) that seemingly don't help the evils at all is that they are less likely to be suspected during the countdown.

[kyuss420]

you forgot Coven Leader, psychic,

Also Hex Master should be in S tier. It is by far the most superior RC. It has a permanent frame that stays even after it dies, making sheriff 2nd guess every result. It can bypass BG and trappers if she has necronomicon. She can attack an alerting vet or crusader target and survive, when she has the book.

Tracker is basically a consig, in a pros hands. You will at least know what kind of alignment your target is (TI/TP/TS) if not pin point their exact role, just by watching who they visit on a particular night. Even more so, if you pay attention to claims in day chat and can tick off a role list, so you can rule out what your target is not.
I'd take tracker over LO any day, especially in coven when LO is prone to dieing to crusaders.

PM seems a bit too high Its a good versatile role, but the claim space isnt really there when theres pros in game, doc and invest claims are immediatly sus. I mean, you gotta kill n1, to get that n4 kill, Its good to protect CL n1 or n2 when they dont have basic defence, but a coven pro, who rolled spy, will know that 1 of the n2 visits is evil...Id prefer having a PM to a Necro or poisoner tho.

Im glad you werent tempted to make Necromancer A tier. The only good thing about it is that it cant be roleblocked. It basically cant do anything unless a TP or vigi is killed (and not stoned), usually outed by a tracker cos they got bored and sent the dead sheriff to a rando, altho that can help breaking traps. And even when it uses a TP to save a coven member, whoever they saved is lynched the next day... Its good for breaking traps/killing BG when it has the book, but Hex Master is even better, because it kills the target without wasting a precious night.

[MysticMismagius]

On the topic of HM, most of its good things only come if HM has the Necronomicon (since there's a guaranteed CL, this won't happen until well after N3 unless the CL is dumb/unlucky)
This is why, when ranking the Coven roles, it's important to make the distinction between the role with the book and without the book
They're not separate roles, but the power difference between a role with and without the Necronomicon (except Poisoner) is so vast that you have to rank them separately
If you combine them, then you have problems placing them
Without the book, OP is right to put HM in D tier
With the book, kyuss is right that HM is high tier (although I would not put it *that* high, A tier is fine imo)
But combined, where do you put it? Do you average its two tiers out and put it in B tier? Do the problems it has without the book outweigh the advantages it has with the book, or vice versa? How much weight should be given to its power in either state?
These questions, even if you personally have answers, are better just avoided

[dolphina]

I suggest making two different categories: Coven (w/o necro), and Coven (with necro). Then, you can put them in their respective tiers.