Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

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Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby Nyricanmini » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:40 pm

First post btw.
As an excuse if i end up being wrong about all this, i've only gotten back into the game about a month and a half ago after playing back around 2015, so i'm a bit nooby. Also this was Ranked Practice, so everyone kinda sucks.

So i was playing Jailor just now, and someone (We'll call them Person 1) claiming LO pointed out someone else as SK(we'll call them Person 2), saying they visited the person who the SK killed. Town believed that Person 1 was exe, trying to target town and had said, "Jailor exe them" I had decided that, yes, they could be exe trying to hang the man, or jester trying to get themselves hung, but i didn't want to waste an execution on them. The reason i say this is because the Jailor can work as a Town Investigative role and Town Killing role at the same time. I believed that I would be more useful to town by finding out roles than to just kill the Exe/Jester. The only exception imo would be if it's Mid/Late game and maf could potentially use them as an extra vote.

After the whole Person 1 ordeal, someone calls for VFR on Person 3, who had gotten defensive and been like "VFR sucks bro, never VFR guys." I thought he was a little sus for trying to avoid claiming, so I jailed them to get their role. I asked for their role, but they had begun to bitch about how VFR sucks, and you should never VFR Day 2, blah blah blah. Since he hadn't claimed, i made the decision to execute him. Person 3 ended up being Vet.
Town begun to bitch about how i hadn't killed the obvious Exe/Jester, and I defended myself saying that i didn't want to waste an exe.

The following night i died.

Person 1 had died the next night, and he ended up actually being LO,. In the end, it wouldn't have mattered, as i would still lose my exes, but should i still have exed him because he seemed to be an obvious Exe/Jester at the time?
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby TiberianSun371AlexW » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:07 pm

Jailing Executions and Jesters on purpose is a poor play. Jailor can collect claims from people quietly without exposing them, killing NE like this is stupid.

Jailing someone at random and realizing from their confession they are NE, if you got 2 executions left, executing them isn't a bad idea. Witch and Executions have goals that are against town (and witches are dangerous outright) and Jesters haunt Mayors for no good reason instead of ransoming whenever there is a revealed mayor. The only times I let an Exe cut a deal with me on the "I'll vote with you if you hang my target" deal is if the target is a vet who alerts N1 (someone who does that and gets no kills most of the time probably would be empty soon anyways), Retributionists, and investigators. This is less out of tactical reasons and more of a taste thing.

Mafia and Nks sometimes pretend to be NE, but very rarely. The exception is that werewolves for some reason don't mind faking being executioner. 3/4 times this fake exe play is done day 2, as opposed to normal exes who sometimes make a day 2 play, but not 3/4 times. if it's a werewolf game, there is a descent chance that "NE" is not ne.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby Kuter » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:26 am

Tbh, you had all the rights to execute person 3, it is person 3 faults for not claiming at the very least that he was TK to you, but instead just complained from you what you said, it hides their roles if you ever die and witch/mafia don't know if you're vig or vet.

As for the LO - Jester/Exe guy, you could of jailed them and not execute, but that would of resulted in the same problem either way, like you said. You would of execute a townie, lose your exe and be useless and people would of still beach at you.

All in all, don't let it get to you, let the whiners complain, yeah its annoying when people get on your ass because you don't play how they want you to play, but that's online for you.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby woahah » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:41 am

Only kill exes/jesters if you have no reads or leads.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby ScarfVendetta » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:43 pm

In this scenario, Person 1 was not NE. If there is concrete proof that someone is lying such as claiming to have results on a jailed target, then that's a safe execution. The scenario you described was not the same, as it was only suspicions that they were NE, simply because they were acting 'Exey'.

Executing known Neutral Evils is a good move early in the game, as it helps preserve town majority and provides certainty for safer lynches later in the game. However, if town are barely holding their majority over evils, it may be smarter to scumread and execute a bigger threat.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby kyuss420 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:28 am

Meh, I woulda jailed the non claimer too, and defo exed if he didnt claim in jail. Hiding your role gives mafia claim space and the only way mafia win, is with claim space, The only roles that need to hide are the TPs, and they should be known and confirmed by LOs anyway.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby Iluyan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:23 am

You should absolutly execute (potentional) Jesters/Executioners imo.
Especially in early game, rather not in late game (IE there is 5 people left, 2 town, 2 maf and 1 exe, you better focus on getting a maf.)
As long as Jesters and Executioners walk arround they will cause disruption and distraction in the town. So its better to get rid of them otherwise they will drag (negative) attention to them.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby flairric66 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:28 pm

I feel like you may have been a little to quick to execute people as it did not seem like the town was in such a desperate state when you were already deciding whether or not to exe potentially evil or neutral players. The town telling you to exe the possible "exe/jester" gave you immunity from being shouted down if it turned out to be the incorrect decision, ultimately I think you should have executed either Person 1 or Person 2 if you were that hell bent on using your exe. That situation should have been dealt with before you even considered executing anyone not involved in it.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby Dallasfootball04 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:12 pm

Yeah my opinion is that evils will normally side with evils, so if you have no real leads its better to get the NE out of the way. However, if its late game and mafia is still alive you should focus on them.
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:37 am

Kind of sad that people didn't hang SK. About the play, it used to be very common to accuse people for being Mafia as Mafia/NK especially when evils are one lynch away from getting majority. Always exe neutral evil when you have no better leads, but only when you are sure they are not Town
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Re: Jailor executing Jester/Executioner

Postby flairric66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:14 pm

TiberianSun371AlexW wrote:Jesters haunt Mayors for no good reason instead of ransoming whenever there is a revealed mayor.


This is anecdotal. Killing the mayor is an easy and detrimental blow to the town if the town did something to upset or go against the jester, but other than that usually the jester kills someone else. If for no other reason than Mayor and a lot of other people just vote innocent no matter what for every trial.
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