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Veteran in Consort Game

Postby danihaley » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:47 am

Say that there's an escort claim that you're sure is a consort. You are a veteran.

You're suspicious that a certain player is a consort, but town either disagrees with you or is preoccupied with another target. Here's what you do:

1. Claim vigilante.
2. Announce several times to the town that you are shooting the suspected consort tonight. Make sure the suspected consort sees it.
3. Alert that night.

If it is a consort, they will think you're a vigilante and will roleblock you so they don't die... and step right into your veteran booby trap :D

(This has happened to me and worked like a charm!)


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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby EgyptFalcon » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:08 pm

danihaley wrote:Say that there's an escort claim that you're sure is a consort. You are a veteran.

You're suspicious that a certain player is a consort, but town either disagrees with you or is preoccupied with another target. Here's what you do:

1. Claim vigilante.
2. Announce several times to the town that you are shooting the suspected consort tonight. Make sure the suspected consort sees it.
3. Alert that night.

If it is a consort, they will think you're a vigilante and will roleblock you so they don't die... and step right into your veteran booby trap :D

(This has happened to me and worked like a charm!)


An escort doesn't want you to shoot them just the same. If there is a misunderstanding going on, roleblocking you prevents two unnecessary town deaths (the escort and the vigi from guilt) so an escort would do the same thing.

You always have to take every situation from both angles -- scum and town -- before you decide whether a certain action is scummy or not.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby danihaley » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:58 pm

EgyptFalcon wrote:
An escort doesn't want you to shoot them just the same. If there is a misunderstanding going on, roleblocking you prevents two unnecessary town deaths (the escort and the vigi from guilt) so an escort would do the same thing.

You always have to take every situation from both angles -- scum and town -- before you decide whether a certain action is scummy or not.


Exactly. When I used the tactic a few weeks back, someone accused me of being a "trash player" because "it could have easily been an escort," but I was certain it was a consort.

And, like you say, what if it IS an escort and NOT a consort? Depending on the situation, it may be a bargain, but it's really no worse than a jailor executing a 50/50 or a vigilante shooting a 50/50. In fact, it's better because even if it is an actual escort, it confirms you as veteran, confirms a town slot, and you don't lose your abilities like jailor or die like vigilante.


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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby RedWhaley14 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:45 pm

I think that a better strategy of taking out the Consort is to just claim a role that they would want to roleblock. Fake claiming something like Psychic, Spy, Retributionist, Investigator, Lookout, or any Town Protective will often lure Consorts into roleblocking you to prevent you from doing something that would benefit the town. Not only that, but a Mafioso/Godfather and a Janitor/Forger will often go for these roles to wipe out all of the information in their wills.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby EgyptFalcon » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:27 pm

danihaley wrote:
EgyptFalcon wrote:
An escort doesn't want you to shoot them just the same. If there is a misunderstanding going on, roleblocking you prevents two unnecessary town deaths (the escort and the vigi from guilt) so an escort would do the same thing.

You always have to take every situation from both angles -- scum and town -- before you decide whether a certain action is scummy or not.


Exactly. When I used the tactic a few weeks back, someone accused me of being a "trash player" because "it could have easily been an escort," but I was certain it was a consort.

And, like you say, what if it IS an escort and NOT a consort? Depending on the situation, it may be a bargain, but it's really no worse than a jailor executing a 50/50 or a vigilante shooting a 50/50. In fact, it's better because even if it is an actual escort, it confirms you as veteran, confirms a town slot, and you don't lose your abilities like jailor or die like vigilante.


Hm, let's just say I play Veteran very differently from other town killing roles.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby danihaley » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:28 am

RedWhaley14 wrote:I think that a better strategy of taking out the Consort is to just claim a role that they would want to roleblock. Fake claiming something like Psychic, Spy, Retributionist, Investigator, Lookout, or any Town Protective will often lure Consorts into roleblocking you to prevent you from doing something that would benefit the town. Not only that, but a Mafioso/Godfather and a Janitor/Forger will often go for these roles to wipe out all of the information in their wills.


That could work just as well, but the only reason I'd be more inclined to use the vigilante strategy is because it'd be a guarenteed kill. No consort would just let themselves die at night if they could stop it; that's why that strategy works inevitably, whether it's a regular consort or a consort faking escort.

If you do fake claim a TI, TP, or TS role, you might be roleblocked by a consort, but consort also does have a lot of other roles to choose from, like maybe a confirmed TI or a jailor. Additionally, if it's a consort claiming escort, they're less likely to roleblock an important townie because that would blow their cover as an escort claim.


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3 Highest Mafia Role Winrates:
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby EgyptFalcon » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:30 pm

danihaley wrote:
EgyptFalcon wrote:
An escort doesn't want you to shoot them just the same. If there is a misunderstanding going on, roleblocking you prevents two unnecessary town deaths (the escort and the vigi from guilt) so an escort would do the same thing.

You always have to take every situation from both angles -- scum and town -- before you decide whether a certain action is scummy or not.


Exactly. When I used the tactic a few weeks back, someone accused me of being a "trash player" because "it could have easily been an escort," but I was certain it was a consort.

And, like you say, what if it IS an escort and NOT a consort? Depending on the situation, it may be a bargain, but it's really no worse than a jailor executing a 50/50 or a vigilante shooting a 50/50. In fact, it's better because even if it is an actual escort, it confirms you as veteran, confirms a town slot, and you don't lose your abilities like jailor or die like vigilante.


Yeah basically what you're doing is guaranteeing a kill on the escort/consort. And if you believe them to be a consort *before* you kill them then sure it's an okay strategy. However, I just think there are more powerful ways of playing veteran and if you have good reasons to suspect them as consort it's more efficient to lynch at daytime.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby RetruninNoReaction » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:10 pm

pointless strat, unless you are playing in ranked practice or something like that, if you were playing ranked against at least double digit IQ players you would see that this strat doesnt work since its main point is that people you play against have their IQ in range or 1-9.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby danihaley » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:43 am

RetruninNoReaction wrote:pointless strat, unless you are playing in ranked practice or something like that, if you were playing ranked against at least double digit IQ players you would see that this strat doesnt work since its main point is that people you play against have their IQ in range or 1-9.


I use this in Master ELO ranked and it works. If your only reason this strategy is "pointless" is because "it doesn't work against at least double digit IQ players" (which is clearly false), then your argument is invalid. If you give me an actual reason why you dislike this strategy, I'd love to discuss it with you!


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3 Highest Mafia Role Winrates:
Mafioso (60), Godfather (45), Janitor (22)

3 Highest Neutral Role Winrates:
Jester (36), Witch (28), Executioner (22)


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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby Guccimonster » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:55 pm

its a good strat, you prove to town you are indeed town and there isn't a consort (perhaps there is). Regardless, another proven role for town to not lynch and be visited most likely, I use this tatic a lot.
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Re: Veteran in Consort Game

Postby TiberianSun371AlexW » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:38 pm

EgyptFalcon wrote:You always have to take every situation from both angles -- scum and town -- before you decide whether a certain action is scummy or not.


But the OP is sure that Escort claim is Consort not Escort. So why does he need to know what angle an Escort would think? If he's wrong about the Escort claim, what's wrong is less about the choice of vetbait "I'm shooting that guy" and more about his decision process that led him to think that Escort claim was Consort and why he was so sure instead of "ehhh, 75% sure he's consort but it could be town"
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