Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Joacgroso wrote:Again, you can't look at votes if there are no votes. Same goes for chat logs. By the time there is enough information to do something, evils already have mayority. Remember it's usually LyLo by day 2. And what kind of questions would you ask besides "role?" or "will?" or "any ccs?"?
Emily372 wrote:I don't believe in jailor meta.
Cookazoo2 wrote:i'm trying to write an evolution of this strategy that involves the current list.
in effect, the goal is to aggressively out as many confirmable townies and the TS slot as quickly as possible and then force an executioner to claim to get their target lynched day 2.
from there, force TK to claim vigilante day three and then every night from then on nail a scum player. on day three, with the combination of a jailor execution, vigi shot/vet confirmation, and a lynch, you should be able to nail at least one scum from that.
the ultimate goal is to then only have to kill the mafia and an executioner, endgaming the witch.
overall, jailor just leads a town blitzkrieg, preventing mafia from being able to claim early.
MrIncendiary88 wrote:Just wanted to revive this thread. Ye i also stopped playing because of Jailor Meta. Anyway Jailor Meta is forced because not revealing means a) no town co-ordination N1 and b) you are taking the risk of being randomly killed by the Mafia N1 and when that happens its pretty much a normal game cuz there is no more Jailor.
I wonder if replacing the Jailor with a fixed Vigilante in the old Ranked setup with NE and NK would’ve made the difference? There would be no Vigi meta because of the fixed Witch chance and there can be multiple of them, so Vigi is claimable and GF / SK / Witch would have an edge with their basic night immunity. Also if there is Mayor in game they can’t be Jailed as no Jailor in game. Would this be too huge of a buff for evils though would be my worry but I think it should be all fine.
Soulshade55r wrote:MrIncendiary88 wrote:Just wanted to revive this thread. Ye i also stopped playing because of Jailor Meta. Anyway Jailor Meta is forced because not revealing means a) no town co-ordination N1 and b) you are taking the risk of being randomly killed by the Mafia N1 and when that happens its pretty much a normal game cuz there is no more Jailor.
I wonder if replacing the Jailor with a fixed Vigilante in the old Ranked setup with NE and NK would’ve made the difference? There would be no Vigi meta because of the fixed Witch chance and there can be multiple of them, so Vigi is claimable and GF / SK / Witch would have an edge with their basic night immunity. Also if there is Mayor in game they can’t be Jailed as no Jailor in game. Would this be too huge of a buff for evils though would be my worry but I think it should be all fine.
The old setup was bad for serval reasons, NK is bassically neutral benign with a kill everynight which people have pretended is balanced for years, but in general the NK has always been a unbalanced chaotic figure, I'm not totally aganist a ranked with it but I wouldn't call it a "balanced" ranked and I'd believe roles like survivor/Amne would even be more balanced.
Jailor is a problem, personally I believe a 5v10 meta is a good meta if you
1: don't have power roles or heavily nerf them power roles Jailor comes to mind also Mayor and transporter.
2: mafia gets tatical kills or buffed in any major way
3: more NEs with witches wincon only, jester/exe moved to another slot, allows more varity in NE without having a chaotic either extra team member or slightly evil sided nb (like jester)
4: remove easy confirm metas and focus on roles having to actually play well to be confirmed
Some other things might also be required.
In general the current meta is really bad because it's about town confirming players really quickly, I feel like mafia have limited room to make any plays yes they might easily win early and its balanced stay wise but its normally because town couldn't confirm that many and end up killing the wrong players. Worst part is some games are over day 3/4 when ideally games should last quite a bit longer Imo
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
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