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N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby alex1234321 » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:43 am

I play Classic All Any, and I rarely if ever vest N1 as Survivor. Sometimes when I post my will later in the game people think I'm evil because "all survs vest N1" or something along those lines. In All Any it's common for games to last 6-7 nights with players still having no idea of each other's roles, so I want to have some vests available in case the game goes on for a long time. Statistically, you're more likely to die N5 (given that you're still alive at that point) than N1 because there are far more players alive N1 and most killing roles tend to longer than non-killing roles. Even if there's a small chance that I'm killed N1, it seems like a much smaller risk than vesting N1-4 and getting killed N5 because some Mafia member thinks I'm secretly the Mayor.

Am I missing something that makes vesting N1 a better play?
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby Ezradekezra » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:53 am

I rarely vest N1 as Surv and never get pushed for that so I don't think you're missing anything
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby Joacgroso » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:16 pm

I mean, even if the vest saves you you will probably be lynched for being immune very soon.
I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby cob709 » Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:55 pm

you could get randomly attacked on n1 and die, so survivors would want to vest to prevent that
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby kyuss420 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:00 am

cob709 wrote:you could get randomly attacked on n1 and die, so survivors would want to vest to prevent that


doubt it, i purposely dont vest until at least n4... survivor is so boring, who wouldnt want to be killed early game so they can requeue...... anyone who claims they vested early as survivor deserves to be hanged. Also any surv with a brain would be pushing town to find the NKs early, so that their survivor claim holds up better later on.

Besides that, vests are more important for late game when someone wants to take you out for siding maf/town/coven/NK.

So vesting early is a waste...and even if you die....good, saves playing as a boring role, if you live, you have a better chance of surviving late game.
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby cob709 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:52 am

kyuss420 wrote:
cob709 wrote:you could get randomly attacked on n1 and die, so survivors would want to vest to prevent that


doubt it, i purposely dont vest until at least n4... survivor is so boring, who wouldnt want to be killed early game so they can requeue...... anyone who claims they vested early as survivor deserves to be hanged. Also any surv with a brain would be pushing town to find the NKs early, so that their survivor claim holds up better later on.

Besides that, vests are more important for late game when someone wants to take you out for siding maf/town/coven/NK.

So vesting early is a waste...and even if you die....good, saves playing as a boring role, if you live, you have a better chance of surviving late game.


but that's gamethrowing
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby Joacgroso » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:55 am

Not if he says vests are more important for late game when people might target him out of spite.
I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby Benn3 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:58 pm

alex1234321 wrote:I play Classic All Any, and I rarely if ever vest N1 as Survivor. Sometimes when I post my will later in the game people think I'm evil because "all survs vest N1" or something along those lines. In All Any it's common for games to last 6-7 nights with players still having no idea of each other's roles, so I want to have some vests available in case the game goes on for a long time. Statistically, you're more likely to die N5 (given that you're still alive at that point) than N1 because there are far more players alive N1 and most killing roles tend to longer than non-killing roles. Even if there's a small chance that I'm killed N1, it seems like a much smaller risk than vesting N1-4 and getting killed N5 because some Mafia member thinks I'm secretly the Mayor.

Am I missing something that makes vesting N1 a better play?


I never vest N1 as Survivor either. I usually wait until N3 to vest but I try to savor mine incase I get attacked. In my experience when I claim surv D1 nobody ever attacks me and I'm just left alone for the rest of the game.
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby kyuss420 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:44 am

cob709 wrote:
kyuss420 wrote:
cob709 wrote:you could get randomly attacked on n1 and die, so survivors would want to vest to prevent that


doubt it, i purposely dont vest until at least n4... survivor is so boring, who wouldnt want to be killed early game so they can requeue...... anyone who claims they vested early as survivor deserves to be hanged. Also any surv with a brain would be pushing town to find the NKs early, so that their survivor claim holds up better later on.

Besides that, vests are more important for late game when someone wants to take you out for siding maf/town/coven/NK.

So vesting early is a waste...and even if you die....good, saves playing as a boring role, if you live, you have a better chance of surviving late game.


but that's gamethrowing


if not vesting is gamethrowing, then we should be reporting any survivor that dies n1 - n4
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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby cob709 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:13 am

kyuss420 wrote:
cob709 wrote:
kyuss420 wrote:
cob709 wrote:you could get randomly attacked on n1 and die, so survivors would want to vest to prevent that


doubt it, i purposely dont vest until at least n4... survivor is so boring, who wouldnt want to be killed early game so they can requeue...... anyone who claims they vested early as survivor deserves to be hanged. Also any surv with a brain would be pushing town to find the NKs early, so that their survivor claim holds up better later on.

Besides that, vests are more important for late game when someone wants to take you out for siding maf/town/coven/NK.

So vesting early is a waste...and even if you die....good, saves playing as a boring role, if you live, you have a better chance of surviving late game.


but that's gamethrowing


if not vesting is gamethrowing, then we should be reporting any survivor that dies n1 - n4

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Re: N1 Survivor Vesting

Postby kyuss420 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:59 pm

so using optimal game theories is gamethrowing?

Mathematically, there is more chance of you being killed late game, when there are less targets to choose from, or when youve made it clear youre siding with town.
Theoretically, if someone wants to take you out they will wait til late game when theres more chance that you have used your vests, or you have a low amount of vests, so will likely be saving them.

In practice, ive found the mathematical option works the best over a large number of games....over 100 survivor games, saving all vests for n4+ will win you more games than losing, no matter what happens during the game.
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